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789 456 123 ^ The Dpad for player one. 6 is forward. 4 is back. 2 is down. 8 is up. 3 is downforward. 1 is downback 7 is upback. 9 is upforward. P is punch. K is kick. F/H is block or hold. T is throw. A + just means press both buttons. P+K means press punch and kick at the same time for...

Ah cool, I was worried they would take them (forcetechs) out. Thanks.

To me Hayate never seemed as bad as everybody made him sound. I think he is just played best very simple. Taking advantage of the spacing game and his awesome punish throws, relying on good fundamentals. A 14 frame mid kick that is safe and stuns on counter hit is pretty good. Even though his...

I have always found the smartest thing to do is just to SE into a block for the most part. Going for a hold with that tight of a window would be pretty hard but remember chances are a good player will go for the guard. I think the purpose is the fact that even if you put yourself at no major...

Thats what I get for not refreshing myself on the patch notes hahahah. I have been waiting for the patch for too damn long to remember. I have no clue how 4F+K is holdable. Kinda weird. Even if it took longer to get to acitve frames I wouldn't think it would be that much longer. I really can't...

Unless the properties of 4F+K was changed in the patch, at least pre patch the move does cause a wall splat. You get a free wall combo if it connects near the wall. There is no sitdown. Shoho is the same speed or slower then 4F+K. How can Shoho be guraranteed off of 214P but not 4F+K? 214P...

Yeah, I wasn't very clear. Sorry. By open ground I meant in the middle of a stage with ceilings. I am gonna turn the game on and find out a few things. 4F+K does cause a wall splat so that idea is out the window. 214P 4F+K should be guaranteed.(214P gives plus 34 unholdable sitdown, and 4F+K...

We did have guaranteed CB on heavy weights though. Just saying lol. Izuna 214p Shoho working on everybody is pretty nice though. Chances are if you have a powerblow the best option is still Izuna power blow though.

214P has to be spaced perfect or else it wall splats. Also the revision resets so 2 extra hits or so could add up. The reason I asked about 4F+K is so you can do an Izuna with their back to the wall and get. Izuna 4F+K, since 214P will not work there. In open ground I am wondering if we can...

Whatever option you go for needs to hit them before they hit the ground I am pretty sure. Old force techs needed to connect on the frame they reached the ground. At one point I recall team ninja making a change that allows you to tech on the first frame though. If I had to guess there is a small...

Another thing to think about is even though we no longer get high counter revision on Izuna, chances are he can get a guaranteed CB! If not very close to it. That part of his frame data is a little foggy for me atm. I can't remember how much advantage 4F+K gives you . Chances are we can get...

Yeah, as far as I know anyway.

I pretty much missed everything this gen really. Have a lot of catching up to do. So many good games out there. Other interests kept me pretty busy.

Hey RyuJin, I have a question for you. Do you think that there is a chance that this is an unintended aspect of the patch and is one of the reasons for the delay and revision? I said it in the Ryu fourms, they nerfed lots of the ground game already from what I see. So having force techs already...

"All drop (vertical) kicks cannot be tech rolled." Does Helena have anything that would fit that descritpion? Also it doesn't necessarily have to be a kick, since Ryu has a force tech with 6KP. Helena has handslaps or whatever though so I am sure you all figured that. Maybe even other moves...

My dream as a kid was to have a co-op Ninja Gaiden game with Ryu and Hayate. Seeing the Doa 4 demo on Ninja Gaiden Black made me think of how badass that would be. Getting a Hayate model swap would make it one step closer. Muhaha. Ok not really all that much closer but still. When Razors Edge...