How They Nerfed The Hold

[DrDogg]

From where I'm standing though, those were the only incidents I have ever seen in the last 7 years that ever directly changed the course that Team Ninja was heading on.

You're forgetting the time when Itagaki found out about 3.1 Bass at high levels and decided that a ninja should never lose to a wrestler... and subsequently removed all the goodness of 3.1 from the final version of DOA4.

 

[grap3fruitman]

Well that would have been more than seven years ago so he's technically correct. =P

 

[DrDogg]

Well that would have been more than seven years ago so he's technically correct. =P

You're fired.

 

[Rikuto]

I was around for that actually Grap3.

Itagaki didn't listen to us though... he just looked at the video and drew his own horrifying conclusion from it. In fact that's exactly what I'm talking about

To word it better, those are the only incidents where we've been able to TELL THEM something and have THAT effect their course.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Took his own conclusion... like the number of low-level players who claimed instant brokenness from those videos? That video did more harm than good lol.

Thanks a lot, Tom!

 

[Rikuto]

Yea seriously fuck you Bill.

I want the seven years of my life back that I could have been enjoying. Why you gota go and try to educate people? Damn.

 

[Matt Ponton]

I've been playing 3.1 during those 7 years... I can't say that I didn't enjoy it.

 

[Rikuto]

Would've enjoyed it more if people actually had the game.

 

[Matt Ponton]

I know! Now it's about the same number of players as DOA4.

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

Ah .. 3.1 .. the glory days...
And everyone was making fun of me cuz i had an xbox n it was all i played... I still have my 2 black hori sticks on it (i think 1 of them broke tho.. lol.. need to buy some parts)

I have to say doa5 feels like an amazing step up ..

As much as doa4 had amazing ideas in terms of character updates and stages.. messing up the hold/stun balance really destroyed it... And i feel it alot more now after playing the alpha demo for so long.. seriously how the hell was i enjoying it? :s

 

[DR2K]

My opinion on the hold that it's nerfed too much, but not the way it should be.

 

[virtuaPAI]

I think holds are finnaly where they should be. We now have another universal defense..ss which will provide another layer of options for us to utilize. Holds no longer need to be the big bad wolf of series and can fit in harmony with the rest of the defense tools.

 

[RoboJoe]

I'm certainly excited for sidesteps, they add a new layer of not just defense, but also offense through half circular and full circular moves, especially if the sidestep is tightened up a bit to make it even more useful.

 

[DR2K]

I don't think SS are strong enough. Weaker than any other 3d fighting game. I agree with Robo Joe, they need to be tightened.

It would be cool if training mode would explictly state if a move can be side stepped.

 

[virtuaPAI]

I think the problem most is having with side stepping is the fact it actually require some effort to pull off...compared to dealing with the 7 year crutch we had been babied with. Also dealing with a new set of rules for using ss. I have faith that we will master it, and it becoming a staple of the fight!

 

[Matt Ponton]

The move data option tells you if a move tracks or not...

 

[Allan Paris]

The move data option tells you if a move tracks or not...

I haven't look at that data for that. Only for the frames have I looked at it. Where does it tell you what tracks in that window?

 

[DrDogg]

I haven't look at that data for that. Only for the frames have I looked at it. Where does it tell you what tracks in that window?

At the bottom where it lists the move height and what it is (strike, grab, etc.). It says "Tracking" or "No Tracking".

 

[BlackOrochi]

Shhh... (The odds of Side-Stepping can't be too high, or else people will complain and come up with ideas such as 2pt Side-Stepping : High/Mid & Low) lol

 

[Allan Paris]

Thanks.