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Tomonobu Itagaki On Dead or Alive 5: “My Daughter Was Totally Ruined”
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Chapstick
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CommanderWiggles
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I have to put this in...
HAYASHI F**KED ITAGAKI'S DAUUUUGHTER!
HAYASHI F**KED ITAGAKI'S DAUUUUGHTER!
This was her only appearance in DOA5???
Then who was the final boss shape shifter? =p
Chapstick
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That wasn't her. xD If that was her she'd be dead and not in DOA6. Some people have said that was Alpha getting changed by Donovan yet again but I don't think the time frame allowed it between the identical Kasumi clone killing Alpha (we never saw her escape after that) and the final fight. I believe it was yet another clone they had been working on using DNA from all the ninja.
Here's DOA5's attract mode:
I'm not a fan of putting the blame on new Team NINJA for not putting an attract mode into the game. You know why attract modes were done? Because it was required for certification of the game by the game system companies (Microsoft / PlayStation). However, with the PlayStation 3, Sony decided to no longer require the attract mode since frankly it fails to deserve a purpose in the current generation of games. Microsoft followed suit shortly after the release of the PlayStation 3. The ROI for creating one and running it is extremely low, this is especially true since most attract modes have been replaced by a launch trailer or a demo in a demo kiosk. You'd find it very difficult I imagine to look at any modern new release and see an attract mode that wasn't Legal Text/Logos into Press Start menu looping when idle.
So why the above video? It's the attract mode for the Arcade Version. Arcades still need an attract mode to attract someone to the cabinet and put money into it. In console versions, they already have your money by the time you booted up the game so there isn't a need for it to take up the space on the disc.
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Argentus
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Can't watch that on my phone, but again, I w was just illustrating that under itagaki, DOA was freaking beautiful, and that drew a lot people in to try it.
Why does Guilty Gear Xrd - and pretty much every Arcsys and Capcom fighting game title around that time - still have them on the console versions in this day and age?
You've also overlooked local gaming scenes that don't have a dedicated/ established community for DOA players and the people who can't afford to play said fighting game at their own home and/or can't access the game as often. Imagine if some new guy shows up unaware of what fighting games look awesome to play among a selection of fighting games at that local... what're the chances they'll take the time to pick up one with an attract mode vs. one where you're pretty much staring at a logo?
9 times out of 10 they're gonna pick up Ultra SF4, GGXrd, or even Smash 4 first.
MeadowSpirit
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Fair enough. I don't agree. I think DOA5 is far more beautiful than any version of DOA that Itagaki made, and the gameplay is stellar too. For me, DOA5U rivals USF4 as my favorite fighting game of last generation.
Because they too started in arcades.
In those situations with established communities, in my experience players interested in a game watch other players actively playing the game, and games aren't just left on idle.
I wasn't commenting about not having an attract mode being better for the end user than having one. I was saying why an attract mode is not created with every game anymore (Console manufacturers no longer require it, since it's not required companies don't invest money in making them). Arcades require them because they still serve a purpose.
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Argentus
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And Itagaki would a still had one for 5 and made it look awesome, is all I'm saying.
Literally my only point was giving credit where its due, and showing that Itagaki knew how to make DOA look really awesome.
All in all, people are torn between Itagaki's TN and Hayashi's TN. There are people who enjoyed how Itagaki handled DOA and there are others who enjoyed how Hayashi handled DOA. The only DOA game I did not enjoy is DOA4, and that's because I didn't like how almost every move was negative on hit. But I will give credit for the ground game.
Hey don't be hating on smash bros!
I'm not, but "settle it in smash" was what diehard nintendo fans always said about pokemon, not smash bros. Usually someone got angry from playing smash bros (or mario wii).
She's not exactly confirmed, but, remember, Raidou is in last round.
He loves his Kasumi.
It's going to be Smash if they know nintendo at all, or it's going to be street fighter. Nothing against GG, but i've hardly heard of it at all. Tekken has a small shot, though, since people have seen the arcade machines at walmart more than any other game. Then, of course, you have the stressed out people who want to rip someone's head of in mortal kombat.
And awkward. The same thing he's complaining about. He's a hypocrite.
Nostalgia, and others hopeful. As someone who hasn't been here long, the only major difference I see is the stages (TK's fault, not TNs) and charcter portrayals (which i see as a vast improvement given their theme throughout those changes). If i was with DoA since 2, i'd probably want itagaki back, too, but it seems like TK is taking advantage of it to play the finger pointing game, and itagaki taking advantage of that.
It's funny @VirtuaKazama says that, because DOA2 Hardcore is my favorite DOA in the series. However, I really do enjoy DOA5 in terms of gameplay. Sure, it might not have the same flair as previous DOA titles, but it really has improved on previous titles in many other ways.
Argentus
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which is good and bad.
For comparisons sake, even though, say, ninja Gaiden and devil may cry had better gameplay and design, I just had a lot more fun (and therefore, mileage) out of Lollipop Chainsaw, Ninja Blade, and Onechanbara, which were relatively primitive and clunky. Just because those games were awesome to behold lol.
As Virtua Fighter shows, the tightest gameplay doesn't mean shit if you can't present yourself. And THAT'S where Itagaki comes in.
DOA Vanilla was a bland, hideous game that I had muted most of the time, but with more refined gameplay. Bringing back Itagaki era music and stages helped, a LOT, but it needs more. DOA6 needs to drop the "Grim and gritty, competitive box arenas" approach and go back to being Fighting Entertainment with gorgeous aesthetics, kickass music, and an actual goddamn arcade mode.
This feels appropriate lol. Just replace Megamind with Itagaki,and titan with the new guy lol.
Illustrates my thoughts on the matter pretty well.
If that's the case, why is DoA5U no less popular than the older games? We may be upset with some things, but it's still doing better. [url="http://kotaku.com/the-numbers-dont-lie-gamers-want-dead-or-alive-bikin-1440546939"]And to add insult to injury.[/URL] Let's face it, TK is making more off this.
VF has one of the best looking stage backgrounds for a fighting game next to Tekken dafuq. The characters on the other hand... Ew. Clothing textures are the best but it's just the faces that need to be fixed.
Anyway, can we just stop calling TN "The New TN" please? It's the same team, It's just that Itagaki and like 15-20 other people left. The people who PRODUCED the DOA games yes, PRODUCED DOA5 are the same people that produced DOA1, 2, 3 and 4. Hayashi and Shimbori have been under Itagaki since DOA2, and I believe we have the same composer for the Soundtrack of DOA5. (Feel free to correct me on that if you know I'm wrong), it's just that they didn't create music that was fitting to the characters, but to the stages. If you put the music back onto DOA5's stages, you will clearly hear that the music fits the stage's mood. Sanctuary has fitting tribesman music, and Sakura has Japanese Noh Theater type music. While the other DOAs had music that fit the character's personality:
Zack had Hip-Hop, Lei-Fang had Traditional Chinese-sounding Theme, Jann Lee had Blood-Boiling fighting music.
(The DOA4 and 5 main menu music was gutter trash though.)
Y'all complained about the stage music, and TN showed with DOA5U that their stage's music is actually still good: Forest, Lost World, Lorelei's, and the other new stages had great music in them.
An idea for DOA6 would be, remix every character's DOA2 (Or DOA3-4 depending on the character) theme, like DOA
, cause they did a SOLID job on the soundtrack for that game, and the DOA2 theme are the more iconic ones, so the nostalgia would come back. It's like how street fighter characters have their own unique and iconic themes (Guile and Ken, yes boiii)./My little talk. But let's please just stop berating TN, and shit. Please.