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TN's balancing attempts suck in my opinion. I admit this one is a bit better, but in the long haul of things, they barely did anything to make the entire cast more solid like they could be. How hard Rachel got sniped for example was a huge sign of TN's knee-jerk reactions on how to balance a...

Pai changes are pretty nice, but Poor Rachel.. they could have done better than this in my opinion. Still a great character though.

I'm beginning to feel like I'm probably too old to play complex games anymore. It's so hard to dedicate time, and my patience gets thinner.

I really love deep games myself, but for alot of people (if not most), that doesn't mean much. VF, DOA, and Tekken games are the deepest games you could possibly get, but they aren't that popular (except maybe Tekken) because the games are just simply too complex or the learning curve is too...

I agree. But I'm not really qualified to put any real input on this list. I'd gander she would be low A to mid B tier at least.

Yeah I double backed and saw it again, my bad. But if the tiers are so wide, then the meta-game is pretty bad in my opinion

Reading the front page of this tier list and then reading the thread.. this is kind of confusing. I understand this is a match up rating tier list, but is that all that's being considered here? Which characters have the best tools against each character? EDIT: Nevermind, I looked at the chart...

This song pretty much sums up me and DoA.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kjKjitax_o (Adventure Club - Crash)

If the ranking system was by actual skill level; from F to U, I'd be a D, D- at least.. Time to hit the lab.

I agree about the DOA to VF part a bit. Feels like instead of truly combining them, they are making the feel of DOA more like VF. Then again, though, you can't do nearly half the ridiculous stuff you can accomplish in VF in DOA5.

Damn, AkaShocka made me look super fraudulent haha, but had fun and woke me up :D

Hey man, do you really think Pai is A tier in this game? Quite honestly, I don't really care about tier lists, but I wonder, what made her jump so suddenly?

E-Mann: "ohhhh trust me I know about these underrated characters. Such as Leifang and Mila." Indeed, hahaha.

Well I use a stick, it's hard to get the right feel for it sometimes.

Need some PSN players to blow me up online so I can see where I stand. I play Pai and a bit of Sarah.

Hey Blackburry, just wondering, do you use stick or pad when you play Sarah? I learned most if not all my tech from watching your vids, and I mainly use stick. Any tips as far as stick grip or layouts?

Is there any reason why there is 6 tiers? I don't think the bottoms are at such a huge disadvantage from the top. I think the lowest tier should be C or D at least.

I just wish her moves were more effective in the neutral game. That's basically all. Sometimes I feel her speed is worthless if she can barely stop people from moving.

Will any more of these workshops prop up any time in the future? My Pai is collecting dust now because I'm stumped on a couple issues regarding unpredictability. If anything, I'll post a video here and get it looked at at the least.