Community Discussion for Tournament Rules

[Tokkosho]

i don't see the problem with depth. it by no means makes it more random, just gives you incentive to use powerblow. if you get hit by my random powerblow.. thats your fault, because the only time to really try a random powerblow is at neutral, and if someone does it to mix it up if they expect you to counter, thats called mind fucking. should mind fucking really be a reason to ban a stage?

 

[SilverKhaos]

So like where's the option to not ban the stage or any stages at all.

I'm sorry but I cant take this shit seriously lol. Its sounds like people want a stage to be banned cuz they are salty from losing on it. You guys complain that it gives an advantage to other players and makes the game random. But you have the same damn power on the same damn stage. If you are a "higher skilled player" as some of you would like to put yourself in, then learn to deal with it.

Don't be QQing and getting salty about it just cuz you lost, and blame the stage because of it. If this so called "lesser skilled player" beat you. That's your fault. You should know your shit with your character, and take down the opposition with ease. I vote no ban on any stage. Learn to deal with the game and stop getting salty about it.

Exactly. I hate how people try to get rid of what they don't like for tournament, and then try to pretend the tournament is serious even though they are essentially removing part of the game.

Either play the ENTIRE game, or don't play at all, don't just pick and choose. (again, why smash bros tourneys are such a joke. They aren't playing smash bros anymore.)

(Broken characters being an obvious exception. You don't bring a boss character to a tourney, not only for gameplay reasons, but because it makes you a complete bitch.)

 

[DrDogg]

i don't see the problem with depth. it by no means makes it more random, just gives you incentive to use powerblow. if you get hit by my random powerblow.. thats your fault, because the only time to really try a random powerblow is at neutral, and if someone does it to mix it up if they expect you to counter, thats called mind fucking. should mind fucking really be a reason to ban a stage?

When did I say anything about a random power blow? You have personally hit me with a 90% combo on Depth and it did not come from a random power blow. You did a standard combo into a CB into a PB, then continued your combo into the wall and ended up with about 90% damage, winning that round.

Granted, that was online in your less than stellar connection, which meant it was near impossible for me to counter anything leading up to the PB, even if I had guessed the correct counter. However, you still see CB into PB offline because it's impossible to guess right all the time. You shouldn't get 90% damage off random guesses.

Either play the ENTIRE game, or don't play at all, don't just pick and choose. (again, why smash bros tourneys are such a joke. They aren't playing smash bros anymore.)

I'll take those "joke" tournaments and competitive scene over this one any day of the week. If banning 4 stages meant 200 people would show up for a DOA tournament, there wouldn't even be a discussion about it. It would just happen.

 

[CyberEvil]

Keep it focused on the original topic folks. No need for bringing up anything else. The IPL stuff is related but try not to shift focus completely. No more bickering.

 

[Matt Ponton]

You did a standard combo into a CB into a PB, then continued your combo into the wall and ended up with about 90% damage, winning that round.

So, wait. You made it through the entire stun threshold game with all of its non-guaranteed stuff, were hit by the single move a character has as a CB!, then hit by their power blow meaning they were less than 50% health, then juggled off the DZ?

So, you mean to tell me, that because you lost all that damage, and couldn't escape it during all of its escape-able points, we should ban the stage? To me, getting 90% for starting the stun, extending the stun, ending the stun with a non-guaranteed "launcher", juggling you with a "super" and some extra damage is rewarding.

That's just my take on it.

To re-iterate, I'm 60-40 in favor of banning EotE, 50-50 on Sanctuary, and feel Depth/Home should not be banned.

 

[SilverKhaos]

Just to clarify something, i don't pay attention to the names of the stages in-game, so..ends of the earth was...the ice stage, correct?

 

[CyberEvil]

Yes.

 

[SilverKhaos]

Yes.

Okay then i'm kinda confused on what the issue is. I've read through everyone talking about how its a horrible stage and some overly technical stuff, but i'm just not seeing it, or at least WHY. Is it because its sloped, or what?

 

[Matt Ponton]

It's because unlike every other stage that you can avoid danger zones, the entire ground is a danger zone of water/ice which causes every hit to be a much deeper stun than normal and there's nothing you can do to avoid it. In addition, the cliff edges and wall zones aren't defined well enough, and some characters can be entirely invisible when being used on the stage (Alpha for one).

 

[DrDogg]

So, wait. You made it through the entire stun threshold game with all of its non-guaranteed stuff, were hit by the single move a character has as a CB!, then hit by their power blow meaning they were less than 50% health, then juggled off the DZ?

So, you mean to tell me, that because you lost all that damage, and couldn't escape it during all of its escape-able points, we should ban the stage?

He plays Pai. The damage was guaranteed from the sit-down stun onward.

Again, guaranteed damage is not my issue. It's getting 90% from a few guesses that I have issue with. If a character could do that on every stage, people would be discussing a ban on that character.

 

[Tokkosho]

in regards to your first post, i assumed because you were talking about randomness and the only thing about that stage is the PB dangerzone that you meant people would just try to get a lucky PB in for an easy combo.if thats not the case then im confused. only difference is that dangerzone, but its no different than on scramble, other than i can get more damage on scramble and only once. also, how am i getting damage off of guessing? wouldn't it be more you getting punished for guessing wrong?
and in regards to your second post, its not guaranteed after the sitdown. you can SE and block the CB, eliminating all your worries.

 

[DrDogg]

From the looks of things, this is how the rules are shaping up:


Stages:
- Ends of the Earth (Banned)
- Sanctuary (Banned)
- Dojo added to random select
- You can choose any legal stage if both players agree on it.

General Rules:
- 60 Seconds
- 3/5 Rounds
- 3/5 Matches
- Normal Health
- Danger zones on
- All characters allowed
- Double Elimination
- Xbox 360 (might not be my decision)

Sanctuary and 3/5 matches still up for debate/discussion.

in regards to your first post, i assumed because you were talking about randomness and the only thing about that stage is the PB dangerzone that you meant people would just try to get a lucky PB in for an easy combo.if thats not the case then im confused. only difference is that dangerzone, but its no different than on scramble, other than i can get more damage on scramble and only once. also, how am i getting damage off of guessing? wouldn't it be more you getting punished for guessing wrong?

Both players are forced to guess. That's the main problem with the game system as a whole.

and in regards to your second post, its not guaranteed after the sitdown. you can SE and block the CB, eliminating all your worries.

I know, but in the post you're referencing I was specifically talking about online play. It's near impossible to SE it online. Every single time you do it I get hit... Every. Single. Time.

 

[Raansu]

Dojo does not need to be added to random select. That stage is for training and training only. It has no business being used for actual matches because it literally defeats one of the main focal points of DoA which is environmental positioning.

 

[BlackxxxMamba]

From the looks of things, this is how the rules are shaping up:


Stages:
- Ends of the Earth (Banned)
- Sanctuary (Banned)
- Dojo added to random select
- You can choose any legal stage if both players agree on it.

General Rules:
- 60 Seconds
- 3/5 Rounds
- 3/5 Matches
- Normal Health
- Danger zones on
- All characters allowed
- Double Elimination
- Xbox 360 (might not be my decision)

Sanctuary and 3/5 matches still up for debate/discussion.



Both players are forced to guess. That's the main problem with the game system as a whole.



I know, but in the post you're referencing I was specifically talking about online play. It's near impossible to SE it online. Every single time you do it I get hit... Every. Single. Time.

I like these banned stage choices a lot better than having a long list of banned stages. I don't really 100% agree with Dojo being added because, like Raansu said, this game is about using the environment and positioning yourself well.

I still prefer 2/3 matches though personally.

 

[DrDogg]

If you don't add Dojo to random you're essentially banning it. I don't see how getting Dojo is any different than getting Sanctuary, Home or any other unique stage. Dojo is unique because you don't have the environment as a potential assist.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Dojo should not be added to random select. Technically it's the only default banned stage since by default it's not in the random select. I feel the stage does not stand up to the other stages and does not represent the game in a proper form.

It's boring to watch as a spectator, and boring to play personally as a player. To me, it's like having a stage in a 2D fighter that has no corners.

 

[DrDogg]

Tekken and SC both have infinite stages and no one complains.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Hence you don't see me playing Tekken or SC.

 

[Something-Unique]

Yes for the love of god please ban the fuq out of the ice stage. That stage is beyond bullshit. I always cringe whenever i'm forced to play on it. Shit becomes some random and uncontrolled. I think the temple stage should be banned as well because its just as bad for the exact reasons you stated in the opening post. Its always funny getting all the way to solid ground only to spawn right back in the water the next round quite often. It especially sucks when your the one facing all the water.

Also I agree with the best 2/3 format. 3/5 doesn't flow well at all for this game.

 

[HiguraShiki]

Also I agree with the best 2/3 format. 3/5 doesn't flow well at all for this game.

I personally disagree. I feel more comfortable with 3 rounds since doa is mostly a guessing game. Especially against the higher damage characters, 3 rounds is a fair advantage in this game. I am curious as to why people prefer 2 rounds though.