DOA5LR Petition to add Mai Shiranui back into Dead or Alive 5: Last Round

[UnholySword]

Look at this beaurocratic bs they saying now--

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your reply.

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Please understand that we will not be able to reply to your future inquiries regarding this matter.

We would much appreciate your understanding.

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Koei Tecmo Customer Support
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You think companies like this care about the consumer? Nope, they laugh at all of you giving you scraps, and dictating how we play our games, they care nothing for you, so I say we stop buying any games with Tecmo or Koei Tecmo games involved. Let's prove my theory money speaks volumes. We vote with our wallets.

 

[DestructionBomb]

Why get rid of the character? What happened exactly?

For starters, the game just flat out isn't supported anymore. On top that Mai is available for DOA6 so might of been no need to retain the character in DOA5LR if she is currently most present in DOA6 (least assuming here). Might be some expenses for keeping it up? not sure, series is one game ahead of the previous for one character so isn't it far too late already?

If KT isn't budging for trying to bring it back, then it's probably more of a SNK matter than a KT matter (or both but I'm leaning towards SNK).

But if we truly think about it, not many people take the time to sit and think "damn, why did they delist it?" because surely they had a reason for it. Any company to keep good standards with the customers would just leave the character in the store typically so I don't think KT or SNK would just delist the character just to be evil. Probably had a reason for it.

You don't see 2B being deleted off.

Not yet at least via Soul Calibur VI. Even Mai & Kula for DOA6 will eventually get delisted at some point. Contracts usually have a window time, but it wouldn't surprise me if it gets delisted sometime in the future, probably added royalties more to cover on longevity on why 2B isn't gone. Same could happen to Geese, Negan, and Noctis for Tekken 7.

Some characters can avoid this situation is if they appear on the roster on day 1 default:

DOA5: The VFs
Tekken 7: Akuma
Soul Calibur VI: Geralt from The Witcher.

Imagine if that was Elon Musk 200million+ That would kill companies like Tecmo if he said we should all stop buying their games to prove a point, it's the consumer that controls companies not companies. We just need people to reach out to Grummz and ask them nicely if they can help out. I've already asked, so maybe some of you can on X just asked Grummz with a blue tick

Well... assuming someone like Elon Musk would even care about DOA to begin with lol. It's just that it seems incredibly niche to try and get massive influence over a guest character from a older game that's no longer supported.

I admit that I have severe doubts it'll happen to bring her back for DOA5LR lol. I mean hey, I like surprises so feel free to get KT or SNK to submit & commit.

 

[UnholySword]

For starters, the game just flat out isn't supported anymore. On top that Mai is available for DOA6 so might of been no need to retain the character in DOA5LR if she is currently most present in DOA6 (least assuming here). Might be some expenses for keeping it up? not sure, series is one game ahead of the previous for one character so isn't it far too late already?

If KT isn't budging for trying to bring it back, then it's probably more of a SNK matter than a KT matter (or both but I'm leaning towards SNK).

But if we truly think about it, not many people take the time to sit and think "damn, why did they delist it?" because surely they had a reason for it. Any company to keep good standards with the customers would just leave the character in the store typically so I don't think KT or SNK would just delist the character just to be evil. Probably had a reason for it.



Not yet at least via Soul Calibur VI. Even Mai & Kula for DOA6 will eventually get delisted at some point. Contracts usually have a window time, but it wouldn't surprise me if it gets delisted sometime in the future, probably added royalties more to cover on longevity on why 2B isn't gone. Same could happen to Geese, Negan, and Noctis for Tekken 7.

Some characters can avoid this situation is if they appear on the roster on day 1 default:

DOA5: The VFs
Tekken 7: Akuma
Soul Calibur VI: Geralt from The Witcher.



Well... assuming someone like Elon Musk would even care about DOA to begin with lol. It's just that it seems incredibly niche to try and get massive influence over a guest character from a older game that's no longer supported.

I admit that I have severe doubts it'll happen to bring her back for DOA5LR lol. I mean hey, I like surprises so feel free to get KT or SNK to submit & commit.

Interesting so they have a license to use her since you can get for do6, but not for do5? Interesting, I think i know why now, they are trying to get all players away for online do5LR so they can all compete in DO6. Hence taking DLC out that's available for DO6. Well shiftup is a new game company, and a new game just came out that had a massive influencer petition against censorship, figured the same could happen for mai, but it seems Tecmo are dead set against bringing her back because DOA5LR is a better more complete game than DO6 maybe?

I did ask SNK about it, but as usual game companies are full of self righteous losers that only speak with massive influencers. Yeah you know I've been thinking about it and your right there is a reason, and it's the one I mentioned above, totally kept it in do6 but not do5 to get players off do5LR.

Still it's a selfish thing they did, so I still say we vote with our wallets, we control them, not the other way around, we just have to unite and stop buying into their games, and let them know on social media why.

Not buying their products works 100% guaranteed guys. From now on I'm just going to hack their games for free on pc, not going to spend 1p on their games anymore. If they want my money then they can reverse their removals and let all my games be complete. Both SNK and Koei Tecmo should be a shamed to do this to us fans, I bought enough games in 1996 of dead or alive, and SNK I did arcades and neo geo CD Z too, got all their games, but today nope I'm done. Thanks for replying!

 

[Rob]

I am not sure who this Grummz fellow is but unless he is God Himself, I will never see Mai in my PSN account.

 

[HHH816]

Team Ninja put her on DOA6 BRO

 

[Lorenzo Buti]

Team Ninja put her on DOA6 BRO

And they still kept her in that game! Sheesh I wish Team NINJA didn't have to remove her in 5 over some pointless "licensing deal".

 

[HHH816]

maybe too expensive to have her in two games simultaneously

 

[KasumiLover]

And they still kept her in that game! Sheesh I wish Team NINJA didn't have to remove her in 5 over some pointless "licensing deal".

Tbf she's only still in DOA6 since her usage hasn't expired yet, although that's odd since its been about 5 years since she dropped. Give it about 1-3 more years and I assume Kula and her will be removed too.

I think the only thing that can ensure players get her in either game is if someone is willing to game share her with the player but that requires alot of trust since that requires account info which most aren't willing to share. I'd only be willing to do that on ps4 if I was compensated enough for a new gaming PC and I'd have to be the one doing the exchange with the other account since I can't risk accidental account hacks xD

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

Just accept she's gone... There's no way KT/TN are gonna go back to a 10+ year old game to add a character that's still available in the current game especially when most of the people who play DOA5 regularly either
A: Already bought her
B: are on PC and already bought her/pirated her

give it another year and she'll be gone from 6 too and even if they did do this what about ALL the OTHER DLC that is just gone forever including the season passes that are delisted?

 

[DestructionBomb]

No joke but if Mai was delisted for DOA6 at some point, it's more believable for her to be relisted there than in DOA5 considering DOA6 is the most current game.

As much as I love DOA5LR, I just can't see it winning against the test of time and game sequels existing when it comes to official support.

 

[UnholySword]

I am not sure who this Grummz fellow is but unless he is God Himself, I will never see Mai in my PSN account.

He used to be a developer in Blizzard working on World of warcraft back in the day, he's a powerful influencer that got classic wow back to the table, and has won many petitions against game companies, simply because he has a massive following on social media, and that massive following side with him that's 100,000+ less sales for game companies and that's a lot of money.

Side note I found out that the license for mai in DO5LR is fake, it never ran out since license is universal, having mai in DO6 means there's no license running out for them to use her in DO5LR, the reaason they lied is because fans don't play DO6 like they do DOA5LR, so taking mai off and keeping her in 6 was a reason for them to entice players into playing DO6 instead so that online community in game could thrive, only it backfired and DO6 still isn't as popular as DOA5LR, also they wanted to re-sell more DLC to you. Think guys. Someone should sue Koei Tecmo. Koei Tecmo's biggest scam in history is DLC sales scam.

 

[UnholySword]

No joke but if Mai was delisted for DOA6 at some point, it's more believable for her to be relisted there than in DOA5 considering DOA6 is the most current game.

As much as I love DOA5LR, I just can't see it winning against the test of time and game sequels existing when it comes to official support.

Actually not really, DO6 isn't as popular as DOA5LR if they delisted Mai in 6 they would lose more people who only have 5, what would be the point in upgrading, if they missing out on content other players have? I certainly wouldn't re-buy dlc too. I couldn't afford half the things they put up on 5LR, and I have money just not going to spend it on dlc or 6.

Ask yourself this, what does 5LR have that 6 doesn't? What does 6 have just mai and a couple more characters? Can someone list me what 5LR has in comparison to 6?

 

[UnholySword]

Just accept she's gone... There's no way KT/TN are gonna go back to a 10+ year old game to add a character that's still available in the current game especially when most of the people who play DOA5 regularly either
A: Already bought her
B: are on PC and already bought her/pirated her

give it another year and she'll be gone from 6 too and even if they did do this what about ALL the OTHER DLC that is just gone forever including the season passes that are delisted?

Nah, it's only gone when company goes down the toilet. If we all stop buying their shit, and mention why on social media. I guarantee you it will come back to 5LR and then we can all move on. We stand our ground, we stop buying their games and dlc's and I promise you 100 trillion % they will put mai back to 5 and 6 if they take her off 6 as well. The only time they will probably do this is if DOA7 comes out, they will put mai in 7 and delist her from 6 to get you to play 7. It's a never ending income money strategy from the greedy higher ups.

They would have released doaXtreme beach volletball 4 had it not been for Sony's censorship policy and governments policies that go against their agenda and idiologies these days. Companies like sweet baby inc must of also paid Koei Tecmo, cause you think about it their games have less sexual themes compared to their old stuff.

 

[UnholySword]

Tbf she's only still in DOA6 since her usage hasn't expired yet, although that's odd since its been about 5 years since she dropped. Give it about 1-3 more years and I assume Kula and her will be removed too.

I think the only thing that can ensure players get her in either game is if someone is willing to game share her with the player but that requires alot of trust since that requires account info which most aren't willing to share. I'd only be willing to do that on ps4 if I was compensated enough for a new gaming PC and I'd have to be the one doing the exchange with the other account since I can't risk accidental account hacks xD

The license was faked so new players, could/would/should upgrade to do6 for those that didn't get it as well, and it is a ploy to get you to upgrade, eg/ in the future DO7 will have mai too, they will delist her for 6 quote me on that when the time comes, then you know I'm right lol.

 

[KasumiLover]

He used to be a developer in Blizzard working on World of warcraft back in the day, he's a powerful influencer that got classic wow back to the table, and has won many petitions against game companies, simply because he has a massive following on social media, and that massive following side with him that's 100,000+ less sales for game companies and that's a lot of money.

Side note I found out that the license for mai in DO5LR is fake, it never ran out since license is universal, having mai in DO6 means there's no license running out for them to use her in DO5LR, the reaason they lied is because fans don't play DO6 like they do DOA5LR, so taking mai off and keeping her in 6 was a reason for them to entice players into playing DO6 instead so that online community in game could thrive, only it backfired and DO6 still isn't as popular as DOA5LR, also they wanted to re-sell more DLC to you. Think guys. Someone should sue Koei Tecmo. Koei Tecmo's biggest scam in history is DLC sales scam.

Don't believe that. If that's the case, then they would have also removed dlc packs like the gust Mashup in LR that gave Phase 4 that revealing Arnice costume since those were popular.

And license is a real thing, that's why Ayane is for example delisted in Senran Kagura EV and I'm sure eventually Marie and Honoka will be delisted in PBS, licenses vary as well since those are agreements that are between game franchises so we never know when the deadlines for those will expire. It has been 7-8 years since Mai has dropped so I assume they planned to already have DOA6 in the works around that time and they planned to dead LR in late 2017 before it's announcement early summer 2018, and Mai was an early season 1 dlc iirc so no loss was really had since I assume DOA6 Mai would have been what they thought would have gotten the most recent sales

 

[UnholySword]

And they still kept her in that game! Sheesh I wish Team NINJA didn't have to remove her in 5 over some pointless "licensing deal".

There is no license deal, it's all faked to get you to upgrade to 6. I have sources that told me this, the sources are 100% reputable

 

[UnholySword]

Don't believe that. If that's the case, then they would have also removed dlc packs like the gust Mashup in LR that gave Phase 4 that revealing Arnice costume since those were popular.

And license is a real thing, that's why Ayane is for example delisted in Senran Kagura EV and I'm sure eventually Marie and Honoka will be delisted in PBS, licenses vary as well since those are agreements that are between game franchises so we never know when the deadlines for those will expire. It has been 7-8 years since Mai has dropped so I assume they planned to already have DOA6 in the works around that time and they planned to dead LR in late 2017 before it's announcement early summer 2018, and Mai was an early season 1 dlc iirc so no loss was really had since I assume DOA6 Mai would have been what they thought would have gotten the most recent sales

They removed a lot of items from doa5LR complete list is here:

Items discontinued after September 11th, 2019:
DOA5LR Season Pass 5 + Character
DEAD OR ALIVE 5 Last Round New Costume Pass 5 + Character
Nyotengu Teacher
DOA5LR Character: Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR Santa's Helper - Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR Cheerleader - Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR Nurse - Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR Maid - Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR Sexy Bunny - Mai Shiranui
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Kasumi & Kasumi Todoh
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Kokoro & Kasumi Todoh
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Ayane & Yuri Sakazaki
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Hitomi & Yuri Sakazaki
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Marie Rose & Hinako Shijo
DOA5LR KOF Mashup - Honoka & Hinako Shijo
DOA5LR Mai Shiranui Debut Costume Set
DOA5LR Mai Shiranui + Debut Costume Set
DOA5LR KOF Mashup Costume Set
DOA5LR KOF Mashup Content Set
DOA5LR Costume Catalog LR36

The definitive reason I found out is so that they can get players to play 6, they will do the same with DOA7 you can quote me on that when the time comes. Watch how things vanish for 6 when the next one comes out, it's a ploy to scam you instead of playing prequels that ploy will get you to just play the latest version re-buying dlc's all over again, and what if you get digital only? They can remove it anytime they choose, against your agreement.

Ask yourself this why don't they just release Costume Catalogs in game updates instead of making them DLC downloads? It's free dlc why not have it as part of game update, since you need them to play updated game lol makes no sense right? I have a friend who has insider info and the license is not real, that's why they do not tell you anything in email to support team. They have mai for 6 they can easily put her in 5, the companies owns both games, license is universal trait.

 

[DestructionBomb]

Actually not really, DO6 isn't as popular as DOA5LR if they delisted Mai in 6 they would lose more people who only have 5, what would be the point in upgrading,

Well... not because on which one is more popular, but usually in the companies eyes to what's current is what I was trying to clarify.

Hypothetical moment: let's say a DOA7 was released and Mai somehow returns (which I doubt that they'll use her a 3rd time), and the game is inferior to DOA5LR/DOA6, the further in sequels you are in, the harder it is to go back to older versions due to cease of official support for the old ones (even if older were better). The community itself can go back to them sure, but the official companies themselves usually never goes back. Trying to get Mai back at this very late point in time for DOA5LR is no different than say DOA4 needs to get DLC / updated with balance patches which is even more unlikely. I know some companies out there with specific genres still support older games while doing new ones, but TN so far has never done that before with DOA, which I believe they never will given KT's track record. However like mentioned before, I like surprises so who knows.

This very same situation will probably happen again at some point via DOA6 where someone who enjoys the game will try to get back at SNK, or TN/KT because they delisted both Mai and Kula off the store. History will pretty much repeat itself in every sequel. Because guest characters are becoming more popular and modernized from beyond base game roster into DLC characters, this is why I mentioned that they'll need to improve on having companies work together better to solutions on preserving the content to avoid that hassle. Otherwise you'll be in this situation again.

Know what game will probably get hit the hardest of all the games in the far future? Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Because wooo boy... I never played it, but they better come up with a solution fast for that one lol.

 

[UnholySword]

Well... not because on which one is more popular, but usually in the companies eyes to what's current is what I was trying to clarify.

Hypothetical moment: let's say a DOA7 was released and Mai somehow returns (which I doubt that they'll use her a 3rd time), and the game is inferior to DOA5LR/DOA6, the further in sequels you are in, the harder it is to go back to older versions due to cease of official support for the old ones (even if older were better). The community itself can go back to them sure, but the official companies themselves usually never goes back. Trying to get Mai back at this very late point in time for DOA5LR is no different than say DOA4 needs to get DLC / updated with balance patches which is even more unlikely. I know some companies out there with specific genres still support older games while doing new ones, but TN so far has never done that before with DOA, which I believe they never will given KT's track record. However like mentioned before, I like surprises so who knows.

This very same situation will probably happen again at some point via DOA6 where someone who enjoys the game will try to get back at SNK, or TN/KT because they delisted both Mai and Kula off the store. History will pretty much repeat itself in every sequel. Because guest characters are becoming more popular and modernized from beyond base game roster into DLC characters, this is why I mentioned that they'll need to improve on having companies work together better to solutions on preserving the content to avoid that hassle. Otherwise you'll be in this situation again.

Know what game will probably get hit the hardest of all the games in the far future? Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Because wooo boy... I never played it, but they better come up with a solution fast for that one lol.

You do make some valid points there, just want to add that I never did buy DO6 I got the basic for free and hated it went back to doa5 LR lol now I found out they took mai out, I started to think well 6 has mai, but man to start again and give them more money for dlc's as well, that's a line I'm not going to cross. Thereby making 6 more obsolete imo than 5LR. Dead or alive 5LR free to play has over 12million downloads and sold over 1.5m copies itself, whilst do6 sold 350,000 units on launch and downloaded a little over 1million times, this pales in comparison to dead or alive 5 and LR.

Their last ploy was to take mai off 5, so anyone new coming into the game would pick 6 instead and buy more dlc for 6 and that would be the more complete version as it has can anyone confirm it has all the characters? and all the dlc available ? or is the dlc still ongoing? Haven't played 6 since free release, and was not impressed with the buy characters. Can you all do me a favor, when dead or alive 7 comes out, check 6 and see if Mai is gone. Then wait for her to be put in 7. Cause like the saying goes once you go black you never go back, or in this case once you played with mai you can't play without her.


What you said
"Know what game will probably get hit the hardest of all the games in the far future? Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Because wooo boy... I never played it, but they better come up with a solution fast for that one lol."

What did you mean by smash brothers ultimate? I never played it, because those dlc prices and the price of the game is still so high. Plus it was censored so I was kinda supporting against censorship of any kind lol. So what do you mean when the game wil get hit?

 

[samuraihachi]

Perhaps I'm wrong here but I speculate TN cut Mai and all the SNK stuff out of DOA5LR to save money on licensing costs. Yes, Mai is in DOA6 too but that is a different game and I believe having her appear in two different games costs extra money, so they do not feel like renewing the contract. As others have mentioned, DOA6 is the most current DOA game, so they no longer support DOA5, sad as it is. It's too bad we never got a physical version of DOA5 that had all the DLC on it. I believe that would solve all these licensing issues. That aside, it does me make me wonder what people are going to do with Mai, now that she is no longer available. Is she going to be banned in DOA5LR tournaments? What if someone new to DOA bought DOA5LR and can no longer practice against Mai since she is delisted?

As for Super Smash Bros Ultimate- I can weigh in on that as I played that game for nearly 4 years. I think that game speaks for itself in terms of copyright hell. There are so many third party characters there that it makes you wonder sometimes how Sakurai and his team pulled it off. Hell, they even got Disney's permission to add in Sora from Kingdom Hearts. At some point, the contracts to have all these third party characters in the game will expire. Sure Nintendo probably has the money to renew these contracts but will they do it is the question. It's also possible that a physical version of Smash Ultimate with all the DLC content will release down the line, maybe for the Switch 2 that is coming soon but only time will tell.

TN on the other hand, is obviously not doing as well as Nintendo financially. So perhaps them cutting Mai out of DOA5 is to save on licensing fees since she is already in DOA6 which is the most current game, but again this is just my personal take on it.