DOA5LR Petition to add Mai Shiranui back into Dead or Alive 5: Last Round

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

Nah, it's only gone when company goes down the toilet. If we all stop buying their shit, and mention why on social media. I guarantee you it will come back to 5LR and then we can all move on. We stand our ground, we stop buying their games and dlc's and I promise you 100 trillion % they will put mai back to 5 and 6 if they take her off 6 as well. The only time they will probably do this is if DOA7 comes out, they will put mai in 7 and delist her from 6 to get you to play 7. It's a never ending income money strategy from the greedy higher ups.

They would have released doaXtreme beach volletball 4 had it not been for Sony's censorship policy and governments policies that go against their agenda and idiologies these days. Companies like sweet baby inc must of also paid Koei Tecmo, cause you think about it their games have less sexual themes compared to their old stuff.

There is no "woke" conspiracy or whatever you have cooked up in your head.
The reason DOAX4 never released is because there's literally zero reason to make a DOAX4, not when Venus Vacation is 7+ years strong and still making bank.

XVV being on PC also means it has no restrictions like it would on even Switch.

I'm pretty sure KT would rather milk the f2p gacha market forever than spend time/resources on a DOAX4.

 

[UnholySword]

Perhaps I'm wrong here but I speculate TN cut Mai and all the SNK stuff out of DOA5LR to save money on licensing costs. Yes, Mai is in DOA6 too but that is a different game and I believe having her appear in two different games costs extra money, so they do not feel like renewing the contract. As others have mentioned, DOA6 is the most current DOA game, so they no longer support DOA5, sad as it is. It's too bad we never got a physical version of DOA5 that had all the DLC on it. I believe that would solve all these licensing issues. That aside, it does me make me wonder what people are going to do with Mai, now that she is no longer available. Is she going to be banned in DOA5LR tournaments? What if someone new to DOA bought DOA5LR and can no longer practice against Mai since she is delisted?

As for Super Smash Bros Ultimate- I can weigh in on that as I played that game for nearly 4 years. I think that game speaks for itself in terms of copyright hell. There are so many third party characters there that it makes you wonder sometimes how Sakurai and his team pulled it off. Hell, they even got Disney's permission to add in Sora from Kingdom Hearts. At some point, the contracts to have all these third party characters in the game will expire. Sure Nintendo probably has the money to renew these contracts but will they do it is the question. It's also possible that a physical version of Smash Ultimate with all the DLC content will release down the line, maybe for the Switch 2 that is coming soon but only time will tell.

TN on the other hand, is obviously not doing as well as Nintendo financially. So perhaps them cutting Mai out of DOA5 is to save on licensing fees since she is already in DOA6 which is the most current game, but again this is just my personal take on it.

That's not what my friend said, he said the same IP game is the same license, it's a dead or alive game the license is for a dead or alive IP. The license thing was a lie from whomever said it Koei Tecmo or SNK they didn't say anything about license in email because they not used a license, if it was that simple, there is no harm in telling me in email that the license ran out, they said the sale has ended, there's a huge difference.

Which means and leads me to believe the earlier is true, that they did it on purpose to get players to buy DOA6 and more DLC.

 

[UnholySword]

There is no "woke" conspiracy or whatever you have cooked up in your head.
The reason DOAX4 never released is because there's literally zero reason to make a DOAX4, not when Venus Vacation is 7+ years strong and still making bank.

XVV being on PC also means it has no restrictions like it would on even Switch.

I'm pretty sure KT would rather milk the f2p gacha market forever than spend time/resources on a DOAX4.

Who knows I'm just speculating on the given evidence, there's no evidence stating that there was a license, they would have told me in email I contacted both SNK and Koei Tecmo. They said the same thing. Nothing about licensing, all about sales ended. Hmm There is a conspiracy here and it's to get you to buy into do6 with new dlc sales. Think about it man.

oh as for DOAX4 it's prohibitted, since xtreme beach 3 fortune/venus one of them banned only available on certain ps4 and switch releases, some censored, and no more of that game IP becaause it's too sexy for Sony's censorship policy. The total sale sold fortune at 44,000 copies only and venus 22k it did them pretty crap sales total 190k. I say crap sales because typically good sales are in the millions. Reason because it was later released censored, and not to mention banned in some countries. That probably influence no more xtreme beach volleyball 4 as well as the censorship from Sony.

Since we being honest here, the gameplay of xtreme beach 3 is pretty crude gameplay and game mechanics to say the least. It was near impossible to collect everything, Like serious grind, a grind more worst than grinding in any mmo ever made. I don't know if this is true, but mai or 2 dlc characters also taken off xtreme beach 3, who were those characters again? Or locked behind a paywall can't remember haven't played it in years.

Either way It's really important that we remind koei tecmo, and SNK who makes them money, by voting with our wallets we control the narrative of all games. Simply stop buying their games and we win.

 

[DestructionBomb]

What did you mean by smash brothers ultimate? I never played it, because those dlc prices and the price of the game is still so high. Plus it was censored so I was kinda supporting against censorship of any kind lol. So what do you mean when the game wil get hit?

I think @samuraihachi hit the nail in the head. Smash Bros has collaborations out the wazoo, the type of content that game has is pretty high in prestigious value with how many collaborations of crossovers with music and characters. Making it happen is one thing, but being able to convince and get so many companies to work together to put content into one game is catching lightning in a bottle rare.

Nintendo must of payed a fortune to make that happen because delisting any of them is actually devastating. For Smash it was worth it since it had the most selling DLCs on their market for months, but the drawback is the outcome of Smash Ultimate on eventually be getting hit with licensing 3rd party situations (which is what you are getting hit with now), which the same thing will happen to Mai & Kula for DOA6 eventually. If Smash Bros made an entirely new game and they pump out relatively similar content, then Smash Ultimate will have issues trying to renew delisted stuff because a new one/sequel exists. Devs mostly follow new-game-andy rule which.... if DOA6 didn't exist in the first place then it probably would of been believable of people trying to bring Mai back for DOA5LR.

But for all we know like @samuraihachi and others mentioned, it might be lowering the licensing costs for having two Mai's in two games.

 

[UnholySword]

I think @samuraihachi hit the nail in the head. Smash Bros has collaborations out the wazoo, the type of content that game has is pretty high in prestigious value with how many collaborations of crossovers with music and characters. Making it happen is one thing, but being able to convince and get so many companies to work together to put content into one game is catching lightning in a bottle rare.

Nintendo must of payed a fortune to make that happen because delisting any of them is actually devastating. For Smash it was worth it since it had the most selling DLCs on their market for months, but the drawback is the outcome of Smash Ultimate on eventually be getting hit with licensing 3rd party situations (which is what you are getting hit with now), which the same thing will happen to Mai & Kula for DOA6 eventually. If Smash Bros made an entirely new game and they pump out relatively similar content, then Smash Ultimate will have issues trying to renew delisted stuff because a new one/sequel exists. Devs mostly follow new-game-andy rule which.... if DOA6 didn't exist in the first place then it probably would of been believable of people trying to bring Mai back for DOA5LR.

But for all we know like @samuraihachi and others mentioned, it might be lowering the licensing costs for having two Mai's in two games.

Did smash brothers delist any content on dlc?

If do6 didn't exist I think they wouldn't have delisted mai and any of the content, as incomplete content for doa 5LR, doesn't entice to bring new players to the games. My friend said that you only need 1 license to use her in your game of the same IP. That technically means you can use it for 5 and 6, they are the same game with the same programming lol. I don't think they delisted her in 5LR for a licensing issue, if that was the case, there should be no problem with telling me in the email when I asked. Instead sale has ended, that only means one thing to me if shes still available for 6, this is clearly a ploy to get you to upgrade.

Not saying it's a license issue, means that they are hiding something. Can anyone tell me does DO6 contain new DLC? Can you use your DO5LR dlc for free in DO6?

 

[samuraihachi]

I mean technically Nintendo did, as the entire Wii U shop is now gone forever and along with it - all of the Super Smash Bros Wii U content (Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta). That was the previous version before Smash Ultimate. Not that I don’t trust you, but who is this source that you are referring to? Does he or she work for Team Ninja or was a former employee? If they are, who are they and were their names listed in the credits of any TN games? Also companies won’t always tell you all the details, as they could be breaching confidential information that cannot be disclosed when the collaboration was agreed on.

 

[UnholySword]

I mean technically Nintendo did, as the entire Wii U shop is now gone forever and along with it - all of the Super Smash Bros Wii U content (Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta). That was the previous version before Smash Ultimate. Not that I don’t trust you, but who is this source that you are referring to? Does he or she work for Team Ninja or was a former employee? If they are, who are they and were their names listed in the credits of any TN games? Also companies won’t always tell you all the details, as they could be breaching confidential information that cannot be disclosed when the collaboration was agreed on.

It's someone who I know who knows someone else kinda of thing, so it's passed down from word to word, true enough I don't have 100% facts about it, but everything Team ninja, SNK and koei tecmo are telling me the same thing which is suspicious, and nothing about licensing.

What did they take away on Nintendo? Did they take away Ryu, Cloud and BAyonetta in smash brothers? What is this previous version your talking about?

 

[samuraihachi]

Smash Wii U was basically the previous iteration of Smash bros before Ultimate. Think of Smash Wii U as Smash 4 and Ultimate as Smash 5. Similar case as Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta are no longer able to be downloaded for Smash 4 and that game is of course no longer being supported by Nintendo since all those characters are in Smash 5 anyways. Granted they took down the entire Wii U store, it’s likely they were planning to not extend the contract anyways as those characters are already in the most recent game.
Anyway, without definitive fool proof evidence; it just becomes hearsay and all we can do is speculate. If your friend knew the persons name and it could be verified then it would be more credible. Still, I’m not saying you’re wrong or I’m right.

 

[Uberprinny]

Unless DOA has a very healthy population of players and fans as Street Fighter 6, I doubt we will ever see Mai back in the DOA5LR dlc list. I m not sure about the petition thing either. The stellar blade petition keeps moving the maximum goals for signatures. Can Harada's snail mail tactic work in 2024?

One mo thing! If you get Mai in doa5lr, would you play doa? If you own a steam copy, I don't see anyone online today!

 

[UnholySword]

Smash Wii U was basically the previous iteration of Smash bros before Ultimate. Think of Smash Wii U as Smash 4 and Ultimate as Smash 5. Similar case as Ryu, Cloud and Bayonetta are no longer able to be downloaded for Smash 4 and that game is of course no longer being supported by Nintendo since all those characters are in Smash 5 anyways. Granted they took down the entire Wii U store, it’s likely they were planning to not extend the contract anyways as those characters are already in the most recent game.
Anyway, without definitive fool proof evidence; it just becomes hearsay and all we can do is speculate. If your friend knew the persons name and it could be verified then it would be more credible. Still, I’m not saying you’re wrong or I’m right.

Oh wow I had no idea those 3 characters were available for the wii-U version, I'm in total shock when did they even put them up?

 

[UnholySword]

Unless DOA has a very healthy population of players and fans as Street Fighter 6, I doubt we will ever see Mai back in the DOA5LR dlc list. I m not sure about the petition thing either. The stellar blade petition keeps moving the maximum goals for signatures. Can Harada's snail mail tactic work in 2024?

One mo thing! If you get Mai in doa5lr, would you play doa? If you own a steam copy, I don't see anyone online today!

I agree because most people got the mai dlc, and can't be bothered to email or sign petitions. I think at the time, and Koei Tecmo, SNK, and or Team Ninja are all spineless idiots anyways. Losers for not telling us all the truth as to the real reason, because I know it's some kinda technique ploy to upgrade the games. If I get mai my fav character in doa5LR it would give me a reason to play it again, I hardly played it because of lack of time, then I found out mai got taken out and I was imagine disappointed to say the least, put me off from going back to it.

Why I didn't upgrade to DOA6 payversion? Simple you can't carry over your DLC to 6 right? and they make you re-buy the dlc? And that's why a lot of people didn't buy it either. Fed up of paying for the prices all over again. What good business practise would be make do6 for the ps6 and xbox sx2 with vast more improvements, etc.. then put dlc prices down for doa5LR and a whole dlc package as well like 50$ for everything when do6 is released, don't take any content out of games. This method is good business practise.

I still believe in we vote with our wallets, you and I both know that if we can rally everyone behind us, to not support or buy content from these companies until they give in and do what we want, then they will just either have to do it or risk bankrupcy, no more money for them means their a failure at the business game. They won't risk that, they would rather give in and give us what we want to stay in the game. Look how shiftup stellar blade was affected, it will happen with mai as well, we just need high quality influencers like Gruumz to lead the charge. All it takes is 1 influencer to start it.

 

[Uberprinny]

People come and go. I m giving new players will stick around after a month or less then they ll move onto another shiny game. An actual fan will stick no matter how bad it looks.

 

[HHH816]

you vote your wallet and Team Ninja just move their business elsewhere

notice that after NiOH 1, they just give freedom for you to make your own character

 

[Uberprinny]

Ooookay then. Hopefully your wish is granted. Also hoping for the best with an increased population when Mai comes back. TBH everyone here had their chance and they blew it. Sigh. Why now? Is a mystery to me.

 

[UnholySword]

you vote your wallet and Team Ninja just move their business elsewhere

notice that after NiOH 1, they just give freedom for you to make your own character

No they wont, Shiftup didn't, because they know smart thing to do is make money you move your business you make even less money, the vote with wallet is worldly universal, they lose money even in Japan. Oh yes m8! Make your own character was a fan thing, in nioh 2 they asked Team ninja if they can make their own custom character for the sequel so they did it, Team ninja at the time listened to fans, but they listen too much and made the nioh2 too easy lol

 

[UnholySword]

Ooookay then. Hopefully your wish is granted. Also hoping for the best with an increased population when Mai comes back. TBH everyone here had their chance and they blew it. Sigh. Why now? Is a mystery to me.

It's because those who were active managed to get mai, imagine if they took mai off even f or people that got it digitally? They could do that, by law they are allowed to take your digital content away. The only way this will go our way, is if we all unite right now every single gamer unites to change the narrative, but the reason this 90% chance won't happen is because a lot of players already got mai, and they are selfish in signing petitions, or emailing Koei Tecmo. If 100k people asked for it they would put mai back. That's a promise, thanks for the reply.

 

[Dirge Of Ram]

I haven't brought One Single DLC content at all for DoA. All those DLC Prices just one big massive overkill. Wasn't a Fan on the Halo crossover. Not a Fan on the Virtua Fighter crossover. Absolutely not a Fan having too pay up more for Nyotengu for 6.

Takes One Influencer to start it yeah that's not happening.

 

[DestructionBomb]

It's because those who were active managed to get mai, imagine if they took mai off even f or people that got it digitally? They could do that, by law they are allowed to take your digital content away. The only way this will go our way, is if we all unite right now every single gamer unites to change the narrative, but the reason this 90% chance won't happen is because a lot of players already got mai, and they are selfish in signing petitions, or emailing Koei Tecmo.

I just don't think DOA has enough manpower to call the shots on bringing back content for a series that's now more popular with DOAVV than it's fighting game counterpart. On top that it's a much older game that's no longer being supported. Even the players who have Mai combined is probably not enough for an already small community to hassle SNK/KT about it.

If you have Tekken or Smash Bros. levels of having a massive community to push that front, then maybe... but even if they somehow got Mai back, you buy it and then within a month later DOA5LR is dead like any other current day. It's already awfully difficult to get people to play the game as it is, let alone bringing in content. I highly doubt Mai will bring DOA5LR back from the grave at major events again.

If 100k people asked for it they would put mai back.

Woa 100k? oh damn, that's hitting a gold mine with DOA. I wish DOA had those type of numbers on a regular basis for the fighting game versions lol but if you can somehow gather that much people then maybe. For context I'm rather used to seeing DOA with less than 100 people on average lolol.

In the event that you don't meet 100k, it's not because the people who bought Mai didn't push it, it's because DOA currently (particularly the fighting game versions) probably doesn't have enough people to even push it to begin with. At best you probably have like 19 owners of DOA5LR Mai on this site who are active, and more who are unactive / stopped playing the series for good. You could probably get the VV community, a lot more people there I believe.

I am not against your path by the way because I like surprises, so I do hope you succeed.

 

[UnholySword]

I just don't think DOA has enough manpower to call the shots on bringing back content for a series that's now more popular with DOAVV than it's fighting game counterpart. On top that it's a much older game that's no longer being supported. Even the players who have Mai combined is probably not enough for an already small community to hassle SNK/KT about it.

If you have Tekken or Smash Bros. levels of having a massive community to push that front, then maybe... but even if they somehow got Mai back, you buy it and then within a month later DOA5LR is dead like any other current day. It's already awfully difficult to get people to play the game as it is, let alone bringing in content. I highly doubt Mai will bring DOA5LR back from the grave at major events again.



Woa 100k? oh damn, that's hitting a gold mine with DOA. I wish DOA had those type of numbers on a regular basis for the fighting game versions lol but if you can somehow gather that much people then maybe. For context I'm rather used to seeing DOA with less than 100 people on average lolol.

In the event that you don't meet 100k, it's not because the people who bought Mai didn't push it, it's because DOA currently (particularly the fighting game versions) probably doesn't have enough people to even push it to begin with. At best you probably have like 19 owners of DOA5LR Mai on this site who are active, and more who are unactive / stopped playing the series for good. You could probably get the VV community, a lot more people there I believe.

I am not against your path by the way because I like surprises, so I do hope you succeed.

lol I know don't remind me, my brain tells me it's impossible, but my heart wants it bad lol. You know how it is. I think the only people that didn't get it but wants to play it and get it are close to just 200, that's no way near 100k but 190 buyers is still alot of money.

If they had it up how did I miss it for 5 years? It's like it was never on youtube, none of the social media's I should have found out somehow, it wasnt' advertised enough or monetized enough for me to find it was out and had a time limit, normally when I see DLC I'm thinking it's online forever.

This sure is a wake up call. Not going to buy mai or others for DO6, they are playing too much with my emotions, think we need to get some even playing field, by boycotting their future games. Just cracking the games on pc free plus all dlc free. lol Thank God for hackers.

I hope the OP or the one who started the petition succeeds, I aready done my part, I shared it I linked it to 1000's of people, I think only 5 people helped lmao. I emailed and contacted SNK, Team ninja, and Koei Tecmo, just someone anyone with some power to help tip the scale, that's all I can do guys I'm sorry. I'm just one man, we need an army for this. We need God force.

 

[HHH816]

Ok, capcom own mai now. How?