Get rid of yourself by logging out. Honoka is a interesting character gameplay wise, especially since she’s a grappler character now.
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Ninoasker
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Why would they get rid of Mai? She's a GUEST, not a DOA character. And she can't be compared to Honoka and Nico at all lmao. And getting rid of any male character is exactly what DOA does NOT need to do atm, considering the shitty way they treat them already. If anything they need to stop with the loli shit, and boy am I glad Tamaki is the chosen one to do this. May she brings with her a new gen of actual ADULT fighters to DOA and TN finally stops the kindergarten kiddies faking their age on their IDs to be able to fight lmao.
candynarwhal
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candynarwhal
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Well, the same can be said for a lot of voice-over artists...
I just like hearing her in a different range - because, I love the woman, but Tina can be incredibly one-note.
I just like hearing her in a different range - because, I love the woman, but Tina can be incredibly one-note.
@candynarwhal I might have read about that, but playing an English-made game in Japanese seems to be something even most Japanese people wouldn't do, so I didn't think much of it. But hearing more of Nagashima at all is wonderful. I wish they'd have tried harder to find a voice more like that for her English VA. Something more like Elizabeth Taylor in Giant maybe. I wouldn't look too much into her sounding the same there, though... how much difference should there be in playing two different "blonde american woman" roles? lol
TN better post something on Twitter again soon or this is going to continue to be a Nagashima love fest.
TN better post something on Twitter again soon or this is going to continue to be a Nagashima love fest.
RetroMe91
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*trying to hide while feeling very attacked* I really like NiCo. I think she is fun to play and I like aesthetic. I also don’t hate Lolis, but I also grew up with anime and understand that Japanese culture is very different than my own country’s culture. Some angry people hanging out in this forum. Haha
I think the characters that have made the game thus far all make sense in content, aesthetics, and variety. I will include Tamaki in this even. The boys have to stay, the mature females are a must, the new girls all work very well and feel very DOA, so they must stay. I believe everyone in the cast is quintessential to DOA. The only thing we NEED more of in DOA is dark/darker skin fighters, both male and female. POC characters are extremely lacking.The entire cast shouldn’t be 49% Asian (90% of these being Japanese specifically), 49% white (mix of European and American), 1% black, and 1% Lisa (because no one can agree on her ethnicity *smh*). I personally want Kelly Roland’s aesthetic as DOA girl to be the next new fighter, but I would settle for a dark skinned black girl in DOA. There are also so many other missing Ethnicities. I’d love a character from India.
I think the characters that have made the game thus far all make sense in content, aesthetics, and variety. I will include Tamaki in this even. The boys have to stay, the mature females are a must, the new girls all work very well and feel very DOA, so they must stay. I believe everyone in the cast is quintessential to DOA. The only thing we NEED more of in DOA is dark/darker skin fighters, both male and female. POC characters are extremely lacking.The entire cast shouldn’t be 49% Asian (90% of these being Japanese specifically), 49% white (mix of European and American), 1% black, and 1% Lisa (because no one can agree on her ethnicity *smh*). I personally want Kelly Roland’s aesthetic as DOA girl to be the next new fighter, but I would settle for a dark skinned black girl in DOA. There are also so many other missing Ethnicities. I’d love a character from India.
I do agree with all of this (also LOL at the 1% Lisa). I think a Philippino or other South-East Asian would be cool, personally. There's always been a complaint from fans about the lack of diverstiy from every angle when it comes to characters. Say what you will about Tekken, but it destroys DoA in this department. It isn't even diverse when it comes to Asians... never mind Philippinos, how has the game gone this long without a Korean? lol. A clearcut Latin American character is also missing.
TN still makes Arcade versions of DoA but somehow hasn't realized that aside from Asia, arcades are still also played mostly in places like Latin America, South Asia, and even the Middle East. They rather just pander to what they see as their base rather than expand it.
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HeadNinjaDog
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She was in 2 games already. Save resources for someone new with a different fighting style.
HeadNinjaDog
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We already have Mila who grapples and is much more unique than Honoka who is an amalgam of different styles. I like her design and all but I just feel like she isn't needed.
Ninoasker
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That can be said about literally every DLC character released thus far...?
Anura
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I don’t see TN developing characters just for the sake of diversity.
We are talking about a company that doesn't release additional male characters, probably because they don't sell enough DLC. Said company is currently trying to get fans of the more successful spinoff games into the fighting game. Look at the XVV roster: Helena is the only character from the fighting games that doesn’t have a high moe score (and she fits a very specific gaijin archetype).
A character being cool just isn’t enough for the business model of DoA, people need to be willing to buy the costumes too.
I believe that moeblob saturation must be reached for TN to take more risks when developing new characters. The day that they release a cute girl and don’t see great returns, they’ll have to get creative.
But there is certainly a market for more serious characters out there.
Here is the winner of a KOF character design competition:
(She is a 21 yo college student btw. In DoA she would be like 35.)
Wow, those voices don't fit Elena and Drake at all, lol.
@Anura - Najd is so awesome. I completely forgot about that contest for KoF. That was awesome. But then, KoF is my favorite fighting series in general for a good reason. It's epitomy of cool, always has been. It's been played in arcades from Japan to Mexico to Pakistan since the 90s up till today, for good reason. DoA's characters are honored to have KoF characters among them at all, just as with VF characters. They should know that having a more diverse roster with more variety and creativity would be good for appealing to an international market, which would in turn encourage the game to grow in Japan too.
The rest of what you said... I read stuff like that even during DoA5's era, and at that time I would have disagreed and argued a case in favor of TN. The dudes still weren't getting costumes as much as the girls, but you couldn't say they were being entirely neglected anymore. I really felt like they were heading on the right path.... ugh. Ok I feel another rant coming on...
But fine, I'm still playing. Got my fingers crossed that Tamaki will turn out good, and hopefully surprise us.
The rest of what you said... I read stuff like that even during DoA5's era, and at that time I would have disagreed and argued a case in favor of TN. The dudes still weren't getting costumes as much as the girls, but you couldn't say they were being entirely neglected anymore. I really felt like they were heading on the right path.... ugh. Ok I feel another rant coming on...
it's like seeing a drug addict friend just start to get clean, and you think he's getting so healthy that he could win an olympic medal some day, then you wake up one morning to find out the guy OD'd on loli again. Dude, why? I can even take the analogy further with how you said they need to reach moeblob saturation. They say not everyone can quit, some people need to just live with it, take their regular doses in a controled and safe way, just to get normal and focus on more important things in life... but they've gotta work with us, because if they don't come to realize they have a problem to begin with, it won't work.
Before anyone gets at me about "but Tamaki is 22", yeah, I mean they could have gone with the 14 (+1000) year old, but thankfully they didn't... but the bar was low. Compared to characters in other games, especially FGs, Venus Vacation girls practically suffer from same-face-syndrome and all look too young for their age. Even the 20-somethings in VV make the regular DoA girls seem 10 years older, not to mention more unique. Take it from an unabashed watcher of harem/ecchi anime... TN's characters lately have been direct harem-anime stereotypes. What other fighting game does that? What ever happened to the FG trend of at least copying martial artists like Bruce Lee or action stars like Ahnold? Where's my Tony Jaa or Jeeja Yanin clone? Michelle Yeoh or John Wick clone? Why don't we have more Pam Grier clones yet?
Isn't there that unwritten rule, though, that everything that starts off as art eventually becomes a business, or something like that? Sooner or later everything sells out. It's just a depressing fact. This series, while it may not have started as "art", it started as a last ditch attempt by a few devs to save their publisher from going under by making the coolest game they could, and it worked. Now those same publishers are treating it like a small fry or a cow in return. It's also an unwritten law that a good life, and a good anything really, requires balance. In a FG, that doesn't only mean character gameplay, but also design and tone in general.
I can even take the analogy further with how you said they need to reach moeblob saturation. They say not everyone can quit, some people need to just live with it, take their regular doses in a controled and safe way, just to get normal and focus on more important things in life... but they've gotta work with us, because if they don't come to realize they have a problem to begin with, it won't work.Before anyone gets at me about "but Tamaki is 22", yeah, I mean they could have gone with the 14 (+1000) year old, but thankfully they didn't... but the bar was low. Compared to characters in other games, especially FGs, Venus Vacation girls practically suffer from same-face-syndrome and all look too young for their age. Even the 20-somethings in VV make the regular DoA girls seem 10 years older, not to mention more unique. Take it from an unabashed watcher of harem/ecchi anime... TN's characters lately have been direct harem-anime stereotypes. What other fighting game does that? What ever happened to the FG trend of at least copying martial artists like Bruce Lee or action stars like Ahnold? Where's my Tony Jaa or Jeeja Yanin clone? Michelle Yeoh or John Wick clone? Why don't we have more Pam Grier clones yet?
Isn't there that unwritten rule, though, that everything that starts off as art eventually becomes a business, or something like that? Sooner or later everything sells out. It's just a depressing fact. This series, while it may not have started as "art", it started as a last ditch attempt by a few devs to save their publisher from going under by making the coolest game they could, and it worked. Now those same publishers are treating it like a small fry or a cow in return. It's also an unwritten law that a good life, and a good anything really, requires balance. In a FG, that doesn't only mean character gameplay, but also design and tone in general.
But fine, I'm still playing. Got my fingers crossed that Tamaki will turn out good, and hopefully surprise us.
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Shining_Wave
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I for one would love a Pam Grier clone in DOA6
Anura
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They can probably turn Tamaki into a good guest character.
If you look at NiCO, she is your typical shounen manga character, an aloof science prodigy who uses a flashy fighting style with built-in lighting effects. Tropes galore. But at least she as some edge. They incorporated her into the story, she doesn’t act as comic relief and when she fights it looks like she is actually trying to hurt her opponent. If they were to add some belts and character development, Arc System Works could use her as a guest character in a crossover game!
As for Kula, we don’t know which characters they were offered. They probably went with the safest option.
They can probably turn Tamaki into a good guest character.
If you look at NiCO, she is your typical shounen manga character, an aloof science prodigy who uses a flashy fighting style with built-in lighting effects. Tropes galore. But at least she as some edge. They incorporated her into the story, she doesn’t act as comic relief and when she fights it looks like she is actually trying to hurt her opponent. If they were to add some belts and character development, Arc System Works could use her as a guest character in a crossover game!
As for Kula, we don’t know which characters they were offered. They probably went with the safest option.
human013
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I think Nico is fine. She fits in perfectly with the rest of the cast and is actually different and more unique than the majority of the cast.
As for the diversity thing, I get where people are coming from, but why does DOA need to do that? It's a Japanese game created by Japanese people with a story revolving around a Japanese setting designed for a Japanese audience. Developers have their own visions and ideas for their game. Not everything needs to be about POC. People need to look at the audience each fighting game is catering to. How big is Tekken and where is it popular? How big is DOA and where is it popular? What about BB, GG, UNIEST, DBZF, GBFVS, SF, SG, or any other game?
Diversity is fine and all but nothing is worse than doing it just for diversity's sake.
And I don't see what's so amazing about Najd.
Or is this the only reason why she is considered good? Because her design is as boring as any other DOA character.
Just like how DOA was over saturated with the same type of girls (the non-anime animeblob) until Marie popped up in 5U? DOA took a risk and it worked so now we get more Marie-esque characters. DOA is doing exactly what it always did and I wouldn't mind getting 13(?) more "anime" characters just to add flavor to the roster and have something different to look at. It's 3 "anime" characters to about 14 "non-anime" characters. Let DOA have some diversity.