- 4p launches on normal hit
- new moves
LOL You cannot be serious? Are you sure 4P launched on neutral hit? Not counter or hi counter?
Also I could have sworn I saw Nyo's 5K as +2 on block.
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LOL You cannot be serious? Are you sure 4P launched on neutral hit? Not counter or hi counter?
Also I could have sworn I saw Nyo's 5K as +2 on block.
ninjaguy446
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Lol they nerfed Phase 4.
Sucks about 33P but whatever. At least they didn't take away the crush and lift stun on CH.
Sucks about 33P but whatever. At least they didn't take away the crush and lift stun on CH.
Also, @Yurlungur Rachel's 236P and PPP are already -1 on block. You're confusing that with 66K, which is +1.
Aven Kujo-Gin
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Seriously, Ayane players, do you think she really need buffs?
Could be relative to distance. For example, if it hits on the final active frame you get +2, whereas if it connects on the first active frame you get +3 or +4.
That's what I was thinking, but one cannot combat the victim complex with logic.
The things I wanted were P4P3/P4P9, and her roll notation to be BT6P+K instead of BT66~6. I'm probably the only Ayane main not thrilled about 4P launching on neutral hit because it's not needed at all (I can seriously write out a 10 paragraph post about why her jab and 6PK are fine as is after careful analysis, I don't think anyone here wants me stating exactly why 4P launching on neutral hit is unnecessary).
I'm really hoping that is false information. 4P getting it's refloat is fine, launching on neutral is not, that will do all sorts of stupid shit if it's true and make her an auto-pilot kind of character.
I'm interested in seeing if the increase from 138 to 144 movelist actually gave her new moves or not. For all I know, that could mean new taunts, moves appearing in her command list that currently do not, or actual new moves.
@Brute I'm aware, I'm referring to what a strike will be up close, straight up. Not factoring distances in this case. It's primarily a +2 in this case.
Honestly, this stuff is really moot until you actually get your hands on the game. What I mean is that you have to go through a character's movelist & see if there is some sort of trade off to another move that serves better purposes. For all you guys know, Phase 4 may now being able to teleport freely into frame advantage. There has to be a reason why they changed her jab to 10i. She was already a counter poking character to begin with. I thought that she was in fact +1 or 2 from certain moves now. Unless I'm missing something.
She can. 66KP+K teleported her on block with displayed frame advantage. Bayman could jab out of it though, so some wonky things were happening.
Aven Kujo-Gin
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And we still need to wait for all the patches this game is gonna have. All the Buffs/Nerfs we have now may disappear in the future.
Dude I'm on the game right now, 236P and PPP are -1. It's been -1 since after the first patch of DOA5U.
Yurlungur
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ok, then someone lied to me since they said it was neutral
also while i viewed the video it didn't say counter hit during the launch of ayane's 4p the character just launched
What video?
Yurlungur
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the stream
It's only +0 if 236P is blocked at tip, but again I'm factoring what a move is up close, straight up. Because that is how it is read in a frame data chart.
Do you know the specific time-frame?
Yurlungur
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No i don't, sorry
sweet revenge during the stream said phase's jab was an i10 to bboy
When i saw ayane's 4p, it didn't say counter hit or whatever it was just blank and the character was launched
When mr. wah didn't attack after rachel's stomp it said +13 for a brief second and i know that's +15
i believe mr. wah said alpha got a 10 frame jab but he was viewing the frame data from alpha attacking when his character was blocking
and that's the information i had and i wrote it, that's all
JAG THE GEMINI
Active Member
Regarding Ein, his "new" move 1P is i16, -4 on hit and plus 16 on hi ch. 6 P+K is still the slow ass move from DOA5 and his 33 throw does 70 damage. Nothing else so far... Dissapointing.
Ayane's 4P does not launch on neutral hit, just threshold, counter and hi counter. Confirmed by @Nereus and @DestructionBomb for me, thank you fellas.
4P (and it's string variation BTPP6P) does however, refloat during juggles like @Aerospark mentioned months ago.
4P (and it's string variation BTPP6P) does however, refloat during juggles like @Aerospark mentioned months ago.
Don't know how her 4P launched on NH then, because Wah went through her command training and did 4P. It never launched on NH. Around 2:24:00 is when he starts doing 4P strings iirc.
SilverForte
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People are jumping the gun here, this information is sketchy at best.