Weirdest Online Moments
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Intelligent Alpha
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Wow! I trained with the dummy and she spaced me with me; however, zoning/keepaway doesn't exist! Really? People tell me often that you can't/shouldn't zone or play keepaway with Alpha; yet, boast how she should never have space or have the game played against her. I think that player was mad because you outsmart him. I bet if the table were turned and s/he needed to do that.
Someone told me that "if one has a playstyle that annoys people, you're doing something right!" - Dr. Snipe (He was one of the few that helped me develop my main). I poke more to setup shop than combo! I made this one guy mad as hell in a mirror match! He wasn't mad at me, he likes/respects the way I play and we do have fantastic battles.
I had this happen yesterday:
We're in a lobby, Ryu vs. Alpha! This dude doesn't respect her lows (who does since she's just mids?) and calls me cheap. So, as usual he gets Hayate and I just let the retaliation happen. I can't be mad since I expect it. Or this other player who I definitely hate playing cause we always get into spamfests (Rachael/Alpha, Hyotengu/Alpha). You can spam to beat her, but she can't spam to beat you! Gotcha!
Intelligent Alpha
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That's the huge issue! It's not so much winning or losing, but being one with the crowd! This isn't to say ignore implementing, taking notes and whatnot - I still do that, but does it sacrifice or compromise my playstyle? No, it should and is enhancing it. (Having said this, I've gotten alot of compliments, too.)
XV MR ARMANI
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why is the online community so damn jaded.
at least in tekken, if a player isn't good, there are a few that will actually be ok with the difference in game knowledge.
as a newer player I often times feel excluded from the actual great fights because no one of a higher calibur wants to play. it makes no kind of sense to me. it isn't necessarily and "awkward online experience" but it is an issue. I know some others may feel the same way. it's almost like if they don't know you, then they have no reason playing you. it's damaging to the community especially because DOA is a dope ass game outside of the boobs, tits, and bunny outfits you know?
at least in tekken, if a player isn't good, there are a few that will actually be ok with the difference in game knowledge.
as a newer player I often times feel excluded from the actual great fights because no one of a higher calibur wants to play. it makes no kind of sense to me. it isn't necessarily and "awkward online experience" but it is an issue. I know some others may feel the same way. it's almost like if they don't know you, then they have no reason playing you. it's damaging to the community especially because DOA is a dope ass game outside of the boobs, tits, and bunny outfits you know?
Intelligent Alpha
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Wow! "If you pick Alpha, you're cheating!" (And you picking a NINJA - and be THIRSTY is not? gtfoh! You just insulted quite a few people!) Yeah, Armani! The online community is that fucking bad! I take it back! There are just alot of bad apples online and to few good ones; however, imo it means nothing to be nice online either! Maybe this is why the vehement!
Argentus
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Well she does look like a water balloon....
Intelligent Alpha
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The player, I beat was butthurt, but why since Kasumi (well, everybody) can beat Alpha easily?
LOL - You have no clue what that term means! (It's a joke between friends of mine)
The picking a ninja:
What I mean is, (knowing how is can be flipped, I am aware of this), regarding matchups (this isn't me saying this), when many see Alpha, they think speed (ie: "I picked Bass! This is going to be a tough fight!") Yes, she has a definite speed advantage, but I've beaten Phase 4 and Christie, too. (Aren't they faster than Alpha, albeit slightly?) However, I've been beaten by Bass or have beaten him by not relying on speed alone! Nor, have I been beaten by him though he lacks advantage in this area - nor did he always rely on his power game to beat me though that's what he's built around!
What I'm saying is (and I can flip this) - the mentality is: "I need a faster character to beat a fast character!" aka "Ninja for ninja!" So, I've used this logic myself! (ie: Helena is slower than Ayane, but I'm cheating if I use Alpha! How aren't you since you're using Ayane?) IOW, I can't play MUs, but you can? I see!
Many have a problem with seeing mostly ninjas used online and offline - DOA tourneys, you just see top tier characters - not all are KARAHM - Christie and Helena are top tier for non-ninjas! A generalization, but making a point!
Someone over LIVE said that the ninjas can win by themselves (Alpha included) and I'm inclined to agree! Is this why you see them often, but characters like Eliot, Bayman, Tina, Leon, Bass - you have to do a ton seemingly because they lack what this game exerts and builds itself on: Speed! Of course, they make up for it with Throws/Damage output from them - which is something else that bothers me regarding Alpha - her throws (especially HiC), but everybody can HCT - everyone has a throw that does insane damage - even though they have to execute it more. (2 75HP HCTs from Bass, = One HC BURST from Alpha) yet, Bass can't win as he lacks speed? I don't buy that. He has throwing ability, yet Alpha cheats when using hers - and she doesn't have to utilize her most damaging one either.
I can't bitch if it's an Alpha mirror (unless I'm seeing some unsatisfying stuff in my eyes; iow, I don't just fight you, I watch you!), but I will be amazed if I'm having a bitch of a fight - win or lose! But we have the same strengths and weaknesses as characters, so it comes down to how the player is utilizing the character. More often then not, there is a definite contrast! Yet, MU wise, aren't things even? But I won't dare say: "You cheated!" cause in reality, I guess, both cheated since both of us used Alpha! (@deathofaninja can attest to this! I've had wonderful fights with him, but I notice he's gauging where I am with Alpha as well; we've had lots of mirrors and sometimes no mirrors)
So, my question is: "How does Alpha 'cheat'?" Her moves are different, yes; however, she plays the same game! She can do all the same shit everyone else can: Strike, Throw, Combo, Mixup, Poke, Rush, Turtle, Condition, Bait, but dat damage! What does this make Bass, despite being heavier & slower - and he gets dat damage, too; yet, it's not a problem nor is he "cheating."
Again, the person I beat was butthurt, so he used my main as an excuse to why he was beaten. Worse, I've had players play shitty in mirrors, telling me I'm shit. Go lab it up only to show me up five minutes later. I don't mind if you lab it up to get better, but I can sense when you are trying to show me up, too. (Sometimes, this is a bad assumption, but this is why I hate mirror matches. I know where I sit with who I play. You needn't rub it in my face!)
@Argentus: hahaha ... no! XD
Chapstick
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-Thirsty is pretty commonly known as slang for being attracted to someone
-I think DOAN is a girl (pardon me if I'm wrong)
-Christie's highest dmg throw (not counting the wall one) is still pretty crappy
-Phase 4 isn't hard to beat
-I'm having trouble making sense of the rest but I agree picking her isn't really cheating
Princess Kasumi
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Drama in the Lobby & a Sore Loser in TTT2 Enjoy. 
Princess Kasumi
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BT 12 is her backturned jabs. you can't punish someone with backturned jabs. BT 1+2 is her mid launcher
Intelligent Alpha
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-That''s definitely not what I mean
-Eh, I dont know
-You're missing the point - everybody can freaking throw even if multiple times to equal Alpha's output from BURST on Hi-Counter. Yet, opponents spam holds and wonder why. (Hint: It's not the throw itself)
-IA she isn't - it's almost as stupid easy as it is with Alpha!
-I rambled, but you got the gist of it
Intelligent Alpha
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SAR frames, right? BURST is what - 20 frames and having to be up close to just barely whiff. 7k, you know you have to be careful on hit or block. 6p is a mid, I think where ayane's 4p (if also a mid) is probably a bit faster. 2p - higher hitbox attacks have more priority (Mids against Lows, Highs against Mids; it comes down to which hits first aka which is faster - Alpha's 2H+K vs. her P)
I'd like to see a generous frame reduction on 2H+K at least - it's asinine to just do 2K to get a SDS, but repeating it when I wanna "set up shop" (2H+K is ridiculous for all the options available) Any options after the SDS with 2K? It amazes me the "limited" options after 6KP with P being "guaranteed" - yet, it's not. (BT 7K/9K is manageable, but I've only had success fluently with BT 2H+K. (Whereas, Kasumi can repeatedly SDS all day long and get a Critical Blast for bigger combos) Alpha's 66P only works as the ender for a starter:
H+KKPPP6PP (After 66P, get stupid)
But to answer your question as to why Ayane's 4K beats Rush. S>T (along with SAR) (I would even count Teched throws and Guard Breaks). Although Rush is a ridiculous catch grab, if going with a raw CG/OH, you're better with 8 or 66T. Yet, you can be beaten out of those throws, too by the opponent simply mashing P or T ending up on the wrong end of a counter throw!
For some reason, throws intimidate people whereas they don't fear strikes; therefore, spamming holds! KWIM?
Yurlungur
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You go love hitomi's lows.
Xernuht
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Finally went back online only to run into a couple of oddities.
First off, after getting a friend to join a lobby, his character icon appeared as Zack, only reverting to his usual after I had to drop out to spectator while walking my dog. Then, in his first round, the character select says he picked Zack, which was really weird until he showed up in the match as Ayane (his main).
Eventually, I migrated over to another lobby I got an invite to from an old opponent. We had a nice match that I took 3-2, and then he just left the lobby. Not a word from him. Not even a 'f*ck you' or a piece of hatemail. So I fight the next guy, I lose 2-3 because I start getting experimental with Nyotengu, and he just leaves without a word.
First off, after getting a friend to join a lobby, his character icon appeared as Zack, only reverting to his usual after I had to drop out to spectator while walking my dog. Then, in his first round, the character select says he picked Zack, which was really weird until he showed up in the match as Ayane (his main).
Eventually, I migrated over to another lobby I got an invite to from an old opponent. We had a nice match that I took 3-2, and then he just left the lobby. Not a word from him. Not even a 'f*ck you' or a piece of hatemail. So I fight the next guy, I lose 2-3 because I start getting experimental with Nyotengu, and he just leaves without a word.
Chapstick
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? She doesn't have any SDS guaranteed CB's. If you mean 4H+K, it does guarantee some strikes but not a CB. Everyone can and will mid P hold in that stun at threshold expecting a CB. I use it to my advantage and hiC throw
It does a weird thing when it's loading where it lists mains in the lobby as Zack as placeholders. On the character select screen when it was loading it used to show two yellow clown Zacks for spectators but now it shows one yellow clown Zack and one NGRE Kasumi. This only happens when it's laggy so I think it's the game putting in placeholders until it can retrieve the right information to show.
This is something I've only seen as a spectator and never a person fighting. When you're the one fighting and people in the lobby can see Zack and Kasumi you either see a black screen or frozen character select before the timer comes up and you can move. Kinda weird
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