DOA5U The Official Tier List with Discussion Thread
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Codemaster92163
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Leifang is neither free nor OP. She's a great character with great tools, but she's not broken in any sense.
iThe Apprentice
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I sec... NO I DO NOT! STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!! YOU HAVE BEEN EATING THE DONUTS OF LIES!
plz dunt maek me do dis 2 u m8...
Don't... Ever... Say... Lei-Fang... IS NOT OP!!!
Yurlungur
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use offensive hol- oh wait you use eliot and he literally is thousands of punches
ya i can see why you'd think she's op lmfao
iThe Apprentice
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Yes... ;-;
But even so... only 20% of the cast has offensive grabs.
The strikers don't have offensive holds. (Well I'm no going to say crap about Ein because he is too bad-ass)
But yeah...
I can handle it, it's just so damn annoying having to deal with that OPness...
Honestly, I think a good amount of hate for Leifang comes from lack of matchup knowledge. When I see someone getting away with using 1P4T and 1P4K as a mixup, I get upset.
EDIT: Yo, just throw her. Eliot throws are so good. They're the only thing good about the character.
EDIT: But yeah, I would consider that her best matchup, 'cause he can't start any sort of offense. Even without parries, he relies on string delays so much to open people up that he's really easy for her to crush. Best chance is probably stay full screen and hope. :v
EDIT: Yo, just throw her. Eliot throws are so good. They're the only thing good about the character.
EDIT: But yeah, I would consider that her best matchup, 'cause he can't start any sort of offense. Even without parries, he relies on string delays so much to open people up that he's really easy for her to crush. Best chance is probably stay full screen and hope. :v
Yurlungur
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I won't say she's op but it's frustrating, especially when i'm using helena/christie
usually in that match up i just use a lot of kicks i'm not sure if eliot has any kicks to start a stun game but it's a good start ( don't get too reliant on mid kick oh my lord you'll be eating a 100 damage combo)
Blazeincarnated
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Lei-Fang is free to Zack. ZAAACKK BEEEEAAAMMMMM!
iThe Apprentice
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GET OUTTA HERE!
I think a good amount of hate for majority of the cast comes from lack of matchup knowledge. Look at the abuse Brad Wong players receive sometimes.
David Gregg
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Yurlungur
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Actually I have no complaints of characters in any tier...
Unless it's Gen Fu or Satan.
satan is a nice lady, she deserves to be s-tier in ONE game(lol funny enough she was always a c tier in other games)
David Gregg
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She's like the energizer bunny she keeps going and is stupid safe and i hear myself saying "k...stahp...STAHP!!"
Yurlungur
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She's like the energizer bunny she keeps going and is stupid safe and i hear myself saying "k...stahp...STAHP!!"
well...that's cause you're an eliot player and he doesn't have tools to deal with sarah(helena lacks a few decent tools to deal with her also)
David Gregg
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Unfortunately so. The only thing that helps prolong the inevitable is spacing with CWTHOT (cartwheeling the hell outta there) at the opportune moment.
iThe Apprentice
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Don't forget about...
Booty.
Booty.
Indeed. More speed limitations would make the crush strength and damage potential not nearly so bad.
Helena?!?!?!?!? (She gets around Sarah pretty easily, actually. That is not a great match up for Sarah, IMO)
I know I've been complaining about Eliot being garbage for the last month or so in locals, but I don't actually think any particular matchup is that bad for him. Like Christie and Gen Fu are obviously dumb, but he does have pretty much every tool outside of an OH. He's basically Gen Fu if he were fair. And slow. Very, very slow. So slow. ;_;
He's got 8P, 3P, 66K, 1K, which are all very good in stun. It's fairly hard to guess what he's gonna do next, and the threat of a HiCH 236T (easily 110+, even on heavy) makes it pretty risky to hold high/mid against him (especially 'cause his full optimal combo damage barely does more than his throw). 66P+K and 236K are fairly strong range tools, even though they obviously don't track. 2H+K is a low with pretty good range and crushes. 3P+K is fairly consistent as a crush and gives a good stun on NH. He stole Gen Fu's reset throw, too (45 damage, 10f, with +10? Godlike). He has Gen Fu's reset 2T, too, but better. His parries don't guarantee a launch, but you do get stun entry with 3K which is great for him 'cause his stun game is where he's actually decent. The only thing I would give a real complaint about is that he's super light (why?), he's got a 14f mid (outside of FC 3P), and his mid holds (both kick and punch) are about as good as Pai's low punch hold. He doesn't do damage (outside of throws), he has fairly limited tracking (pretty much kick string enders, H+K, and 4K), and has a hard time stopping the opponent's offense.
He's not bad. He's just exactly how I would nerf Gen Fu. No anything, all mixup. He's above average if you manage to stun the opponent. It's just that you have to commit hard to get that stun. Meanwhile, his own way of starting offense is pretty much all defensive (parry, crush, whiff punish) so his offense isn't overwhelming. He has to wait his turn, but once he gets it, he's a solid character.
He's got 8P, 3P, 66K, 1K, which are all very good in stun. It's fairly hard to guess what he's gonna do next, and the threat of a HiCH 236T (easily 110+, even on heavy) makes it pretty risky to hold high/mid against him (especially 'cause his full optimal combo damage barely does more than his throw). 66P+K and 236K are fairly strong range tools, even though they obviously don't track. 2H+K is a low with pretty good range and crushes. 3P+K is fairly consistent as a crush and gives a good stun on NH. He stole Gen Fu's reset throw, too (45 damage, 10f, with +10? Godlike). He has Gen Fu's reset 2T, too, but better. His parries don't guarantee a launch, but you do get stun entry with 3K which is great for him 'cause his stun game is where he's actually decent. The only thing I would give a real complaint about is that he's super light (why?), he's got a 14f mid (outside of FC 3P), and his mid holds (both kick and punch) are about as good as Pai's low punch hold. He doesn't do damage (outside of throws), he has fairly limited tracking (pretty much kick string enders, H+K, and 4K), and has a hard time stopping the opponent's offense.
He's not bad. He's just exactly how I would nerf Gen Fu. No anything, all mixup. He's above average if you manage to stun the opponent. It's just that you have to commit hard to get that stun. Meanwhile, his own way of starting offense is pretty much all defensive (parry, crush, whiff punish) so his offense isn't overwhelming. He has to wait his turn, but once he gets it, he's a solid character.