PatrickHateman
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I remember this game dying a quicker death than MVCI but figured it's worth asking anyway.
There's arguments to some of you're points:Xcal and Emery made a tier list together last year in May:
My thoughts:
- I agree with @SilverForte , Honoka too low. I'd put her high A or even low S. Although sometimes I think she might be the best character in the game.
- Raidou is underrated. The only person I've seen make him viable is @DestructionBomb , who has superhuman-like command execution. And that's the problem with Raidou. Most people ain't getting passed his high execution barrier with enough consistency to consider how viable he could be. I don't think he's S tier but I don't think he belongs in D tier either.
- Brad Wong I think should be at least B tier or maybe higher.
- Hitomi is another I feel is rated too low in B but not quite S either.
- Hayate and Momiji should be in B tier at the most. I find Momiji's biggest weakness is her limited mixup game and her attacks from Amakake are too easily readable. Hayate is too slow especially considering he's a ninja, yet isn't compensated for that with a powerful kit like Hayabusa has.
- Marie Rose should be moved down to D tier. I don't think she's the worst character in the game, but even when veteran MR players chain together long hit combos, there's simply not enough output damage and I would bet her on being on the losing end of most character matchups in the game.
- I understand the argument Emery/Xcal gave for keeping Ayane out of S-tier, but I think there's a stronger argument for Ayane being the best ninja in the game. Myself I think Kasumi is the best ninja in the game and the reason why Ayane isn't is because I think her damage output in comparison is a step behind Kasumi's. I also think Kasumi is the most balanced when it comes to offensive and defensive options. I'm sure someone *cough*@revan*cough* has the numbers to dispute this, but my gut feeling says Kasumi's combo damage potential is greater than Ayane's.
- Nyotengu I feel is placed a bit too high. Her fastest attack is not quick enough. I think I'd put Diego ahead of her.
- Helena is S-tier without a doubt.
- Eliot is the best character in the game.
- I'd drop Nico to the top of A tier.
- Leifang is the deepest character in the game and another underappreciated character. If you have the matchup and frame data knowledge of the other characters, and you couple that with her crazy pressure and OHs... she's easily A tier.
That is true but characters like Kasumi can out do her foe easier play, Kasumi can easily get Leifangs damage with the right counter hit launch or her holds that launch or give her advantage and she has the priority and tracking Leifang doesn't.Leifang I consider the "deepest" character in the game because to get the most out of her you need to have knowledge of all the other characters, the matchups, frames, etc and making good reads, executing those holds, etc. Her skill ceiling is tremendously high. Could be the most technical fighter outside of Ayane and a few others. Her wall pressure is easily best in the game. And I think her style heavily favors her when it comes to the mindgame aspect. But it's the knowledge/execution piece that gives her depth. (FWIW I don't think DOA6 is deep purely from a game mechanic perspective, but that's different than examining the characters themselves). There's a reason why you don't see many serious Leifang players because of what is demanded from you as a player.
I think Honoka's supposed lack of range is a bit overstated. 6 isn't a game for people who like to try and build space. You get CH when you try to backdash away. Backwards movement and freestepping is very slow. You can't escape throws and there's guard breaks, so you can't really be on the defensive for too long. You're in close often, and there's no room to really pester your opponent safely and you have to be quick on reading when your opponent gives you an opening on their offensive, or guarding, or sidestepping, or ducking,, on NH, CH etc.
So with how 6 is built for close range engagement, Honoka can be utterly devastating in that range.
Eliot I don't know where to begin. The fact the person in charge of 6's game balance is an Eliot player really speaks for itself lol.