Venus Vacation Character in DOA6

[Dionysus]

As someone who has played XVV enough to get a sense of their “personalities” I’ll say they certainly have their worked cut out for them to make them interesting. Kanna kind of is in a morbid fascination with how bad they can get kind of a way.

 

[Jyu_Viole_Grace]

No right now at least.

VV characters or other Koei games characters should be added once they don't know what more to add in DOA6, like Naotora li in DOA5LR.

Mai and Kula are already the guest characters in this game. You already added every DOA girl that was missing, now listen to your old fans and add Gen Fu, Leon and Ein.

If they start appealing to VV fans now it's obvious what they will ask next, more VV girls, because they won't give a shit about legacy DOA characters and their voices will be louder.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Provided any of the DOAX girl develop a relationship with existing characters who lack story or with future chapters with Leon for instance, why not. I mean, if they bring more players and more potential to the roster and movesets, why not. I'll take it over Momiji/Rachel... Not a read for them, but at least that would be fresh and less expected.

Calling for Kanna (Genra/sumo), Fiona (ballet/yoga), or Monica (card-themed Mokujin). Respectively rivals with Nyotengu, Leon and Zack.

We can't avoid them anyway. But Leon please.

 

[human013]

People seem to love to hate them yet they are incredibly popular

From what I've seen, the hate mostly comes from DOA people themselves because they think Marie, Honoka, and Nico aren't good enough and don't fit DOA's "theme". To everyone else, those three fit DOA like a glove and most people don't care about DOA enough to even start hating those three characters like people here do.

There is some crazy dissonance with regards to characters in the DOA community that I have yet to wrap my head around.

From experience, I would advise you to not try and understand it. But, I had the exact same questions so I brought it up once and it was quite something. If you're interested this was when I had the same thoughts. Do Tread carefully. I like this quote from another user.

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This whole game is tropes With the exception of Leon every single one of your mains is a trope.

Don't stay in echo chambers for too long. And don't think too hard about these things. I like DOA but not enough to blindly join the bandwagon.

"Everyone" hates copy-pasted DOA 5 characters yet this forum is full of requests for Leon, Gen-Fu and Ein and it was just as bad with Momiji and Rachel prior to their announcements.

Well, that's because you're in a forum with a rather small population. It might become a echo chamber.

Spoiler

I stopped taking DOA people seriously a while back

I guess that's the advantage of this being my first DOA: I can accept it for what it is and, while I do look forward to improvements, I am having a lot of fun with it. I was so curious about DOA 5 and the praise it gets compared to 6 that I decided to buy it. I guess my expectations were set too high but outside of some interesting levels, I was underwhelmed and would rather continue playing 6.

If you enjoy the game then that is great. Keep on playing.

 

[Ninoasker]

Fuck them for adding DOAXVV character(s) before bringing back the ones who were left out. What's wrong TN, y'all saw your waifu drawer is empty and the only thing left is the trash can where u threw Leon, Genfu and Ein and have no interest on taking them out of it so y'all just decided to, YET AGAIN, backpedal in your decision of keeping the Venus girls out of the main series so y'all have more waifu material to add to this dead ass mess of a game that's been turned into a poor money machine? No thank you. The fact that they're doing this has been the last thing I needed them to do to force me to uninstall 6 and just stop supporting DOA until they get their shit together whether is for 6LR or 7, if that ever happen. Have fun with these "flavor of the month anime waifu" rip offs, cause that's all the Venus girls are for the most part.

 

[zoo]

From what I've seen, the hate mostly comes from DOA people themselves because they think Marie, Honoka, and Nico aren't good enough and don't fit DOA's "theme". To everyone else, those three fit DOA like a glove and most people don't care about DOA enough to even start hating those three characters like people here do.

I think the hate for Marie and Honoka runs a bit deeper than that. Gotta look at it like this, to long time DOA fans they really just came out of nowhere with no real place in the lore and quickly took over the franchise. I kinda view Marie specifically as a turn in the series since it started the trend of new girls we see today. You really have to put yourself in that scenario where some random loli characters managed to take over a series people mostly associate with ninjas and busty, stylized women from the Itagaki era. They appeared in Warriors All Stars and Xtreme 3 over long time veterans like Tina and Christie which angered a lot of people. It's less the fault of the characters and more the fault of just how popular they are.

Admittedly my biggest gripe with Marie at first was how out of place she looked in the game, she just looked so... anime? DOA always had this blend of Japanese and Western style with character design for me and she seemed so generic and from another series completely. Like if you showed me a pic of Marie at the time before she was in the game and asked me what series she was from, I would have never guessed DOA. Same with Honoka, just looked like another school girl from some random anime. So you're right about the dissonance as I couldn't see how they fit DOA as a glove at all like everyone else. As you pointed out though it's pretty silly to think this given all the characters are pretty much anime and filled with by the numbers tropes so it doesn't bother me anymore. Honoka I hate mostly just for being "boobs the character" despite having to be a main character. Nico is cool just hate fighting the bitch.

Ultimately idk the exact reasons why people here hate them but they undoubtedly changed the direction of DOA so that's enough reason to understand. I personally don't get the appeal, but I can accept them as part of the roster. There's more to be mad at with DOA6 really

 

[DestructionBomb]

And that's the point of guest characters: to get non-fans potentially invested in the game.

That's....not exactly true, that's more of a side effect. Guest characters are to promote both sides of a games for representation as well as providing authenticity to the game it's included in and vice-versa (depending on the guests of course). Getting people from another community with the character inclusion is a side effect entry rather than a main focus.

To start, not a single Mai player I know from the KOF community has joined DOA, but it did provide DOA to feel more authentic to include the character to begin with since Mai is actually a big thing due to the history of Fatal Fury and KOF in general. An example is Virtua Fighter, their inclusion was to solidify that DOA is in fact, a serious fighter as well when Tom Lee and Hayashi was asked about their inclusion. VF was Japan's most played 3D fighter awhile back and the pinnacle of competitive 3D fighting games that even Tekken struggled to get tournament numbers because why play Tekken when you can just play VF? It leaves a mark of history that says "Holy, DOA even got VF characters? DOA is playing no games right now, that's smooth" - which someone actually said this at a DOA5U tournament. In addition that DOA struggled to blend in properly / sticking out more / being more validated or being more memorable compared to other fighting games without the usual "this looks like some random titty fighter, who are you" so their inclusion was to help DOA fight against this due to DOA's history of stigma.

While I agree that most guests are one time thing because it's obviously not cheap, it really depends on the contracts and demand since Mai has returned (though Mai probably only returned since TN still had SNK's contract). Even those Smash devs brings back 3rd party characters. It's a matter of business and demand honestly, as well as choosing a good guest collaboration since you can have bad guests and good ones. A waste for example, is exclusive guests characters tied to a platform, now that is a waste. Overall, you are playing a character for 5-7 years tops so those total years are actually pretty worth it depending on who it is.

 

[Jyu_Viole_Grace]

In my case I don't like Honoka that much (only her Dural/Ogre concept) but I don't hate her. I like Marie Rose because her default costume has an insane amount of details, characterization and her animations are amazing but she's a wasted character, that for sure, she could be as great as other gothic lolitas like Rachel Alucard or Amy Sorel.

Do I hate VV girls?, nope, mainly because I don't even know a shit about them but I don't think their inclusion in the main series will bring something good, in fact I think it will just merge both subseries even more.

 

[human013]

I think the hate for Marie and Honoka runs a bit deeper than that. Gotta look at it like this, to long time DOA fans they really just came out of nowhere with no real place in the lore and quickly took over the franchise. I kinda view Marie specifically as a turn in the series since it started the trend of new girls we see today. You really have to put yourself in that scenario where some random loli characters managed to take over a series people mostly associate with ninjas and busty, stylized women from the Itagaki era. They appeared in Warriors All Stars and Xtreme 3 over long time veterans like Tina and Christie which angered a lot of people. It's less the fault of the characters and more the fault of just how popular they are.

Yeah, I understand your POV that they came out of nowhere but the public and players made them popular. Just compare Marie and Honoka to Rig and Mila. One pair still lives and the other is already forgotten by the majority. It's not the people's fault TN can't make their "Itagaki era" characters interesting.

Ultimately idk the exact reasons why people here hate them but they undoubtedly changed the direction of DOA so that's enough reason to understand. I personally don't get the appeal, but I can accept them as part of the roster. There's more to be mad at with DOA6 really

I see it like this. The Itagaki era failed to get people to care about DOA (DOA1-4, Mila, and Rig) so TN is "entering a new era" because of the success of Marie and Honoka. Either stick with the same old formula and gain nothing or stick to the new thing that got popular and see where it goes. It's just that the new girls don't fit the fetishes and tropes DOA people are accustomed to so they bash them. All you need to do is step back and look at all the characters objectively. The new girls are no different from the old girls. Maybe DOA people bash on them as an excuse as to why the game is doing poorly? I don't know and it doesn't really matter anymore. Things are already set.

 

[werewolfgold]

I think the hate for Marie and Honoka runs a bit deeper than that. Gotta look at it like this, to long time DOA fans they really just came out of nowhere with no real place in the lore and quickly took over the franchise. I kinda view Marie specifically as a turn in the series since it started the trend of new girls we see today. You really have to put yourself in that scenario where some random loli characters managed to take over a series people mostly associate with ninjas and busty, stylized women from the Itagaki era. They appeared in Warriors All Stars and Xtreme 3 over long time veterans like Tina and Christie which angered a lot of people. It's less the fault of the characters and more the fault of just how popular they are.

Admittedly my biggest gripe with Marie at first was how out of place she looked in the game, she just looked so... anime? DOA always had this blend of Japanese and Western style with character design for me and she seemed so generic and from another series completely. Like if you showed me a pic of Marie at the time before she was in the game and asked me what series she was from, I would have never guessed DOA. Same with Honoka, just looked like another school girl from some random anime. So you're right about the dissonance as I couldn't see how they fit DOA as a glove at all like everyone else. As you pointed out though it's pretty silly to think this given all the characters are pretty much anime and filled with by the numbers tropes so it doesn't bother me anymore. Honoka I hate mostly just for being "boobs the character" despite having to be a main character. Nico is cool just hate fighting the bitch.

Ultimately idk the exact reasons why people here hate them but they undoubtedly changed the direction of DOA so that's enough reason to understand. I personally don't get the appeal, but I can accept them as part of the roster. There's more to be mad at with DOA6 really

Yeah, I've always looked at it from the perspective of balance of influences. You can see from the start of the series that there were a number of influences in character design, even from real-life people (e.g. Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, etc.). But, then you bring in something like Marie, Honoka, or NiCO, and it seems like they're only copying from other outlandish anime characters that were themselves copied from other anime characters that were only based on kind of an "idea" of some kind of fetish, e.g., "goth loli".

I know it probably makes me sound like an "old", but it kind of goes back to what Hayao Miyazaki was saying. A lot of people entering the anime industry now don't have a lot of "life" experiences that they're drawing from. They're too much of that "otaku" stereotype and insular in their references and inspirations.

If you start getting too recursive like that, the quality just dips. The characters stop standing out from each other because they're all safe and focus-tested, but even then from a portion of the fanbase. Bringing in another "loli" like Kanna or another perfect pin-up waifu like...any of the other VV characters does nothing to broaden the game's appeal or shake things up. But, if they're perfectly fine with being insular and whales keep throwing all their money at it, then there's not really anything we can do. They've chosen who they want the prime audience to be.

Shimbori said that he's "listening" to feedback about the game. But, apparently, the only people he's really listening to are the people that scream in horror when their pure waifu gets punched in the face. lol

I see it like this. The Itagaki era failed to get people to care about DOA (DOA1-4, Mila, and Rig) so TN is "entering a new era" because of the success of Marie and Honoka. Either stick with the same old formula and gain nothing or stick to the new thing that got popular and see where it goes

You seem to be under the impression that DOA is more popular now than it was before when that's not really the case overall.

 

[Jyu_Viole_Grace]

I see it like this. The Itagaki era failed to get people to care about DOA (DOA1-4, Mila, and Rig) so TN is "entering a new era" because of the success of Marie and Honoka. Either stick with the same old formula and gain nothing or stick to the new thing that got popular and see where it goes. It's just that the new girls don't fit the fetishes and tropes DOA people are accustomed to so they bash them. All you need to do is step back and look at all the characters objectively. The new girls are no different from the old girls. Maybe DOA people bash on them as an excuse as to why the game is doing poorly? I don't know and it doesn't really matter anymore. Things are already set.

I don't think this is true, DOA was more popular back in DOA 2-4 era than right now, that is why they need a gacha game full of "waifus".

It's the current team who can't make the characters interesting, that is why they just went to the easy mode, just designing cute girls that don't need any personality, their design is what will make them popular.

You can build your characters from tropes and still make them interesting and loved. As I said, Rachel Alucard and Amy Sorel are also gothic lolitas but unlike Marie Rose they have a lot more care and thought put in them. Marie Rose concept (Wicked Lil' Servant) was interesting but they didn't care to develop her, her design was enough to print money.

The VV girls are just that, characters designed to steal away your wallet, they're nothing more than that and that won't change in DOA6.

 

[human013]

You seem to be under the impression that DOA is more popular now than it was before when that's not really the case overall.

Nope, I'm not. There's a reason I mentioned the "success of Marie and Honoka" in this conversation about characters.

I don't think this is true, DOA was more popular back in DOA 2-4 era than right now, that is why they need a gacha game full of "waifus".

If that's true then I take back what I said. But, from how people talk about the series I find it hard to believe it was that popular in the 2-4 era.

You can build your characters from tropes and still make them interesting and loved. As I said, Rachel Alucard and Amy Sorel are also gothic lolitas but unlike Marie Rose they have a lot more care and thought put in them. Marie Rose concept (Wicked Lil' Servant) was interesting but they didn't care to develop her, her design was enough to print money.

I'm with you on that but judging from the reaction people here had I find it hard to believe DOA people can do that. They couldn't even get over the "trope" hurdle to begin with. It'll be like showing only one image of Rachel Alucard and Amy Sorel with nothing else to the BB and SC community and they instantly get their pitchforks and start hating everything about characters. Now, how TN treated and built their characters is a different story but I'm just getting at the initial reveal.

Did I come off as hating tropes? If so, that wasn't my intention. I completely agree with you though. While I don't particularly care what TN does anymore, all I'm saying is that they found something that works and they're going at it.

 

[VelvetEdge_21]

Right now, the only thing to look forward to is Rachel.

We all remembered fondly that it was stated that the VV girls had no fighting capabilities. Yet, the developers decided to turn a blind eye and shove one in anyway. The lack of honesty of this company is really starting to bug me, now. I no longer know what to expect from them anymore.

I’m truly indifferent about which girl makes her debut. We could’ve had more interesting female/male additions to accompany Rachel.

 

[zoo]

I'm honestly still just salty that we could've had any KOF fighter alongside Mai and we got Kula lol

 

[DestructionBomb]

I'm honestly still just salty that we could've had any KOF fighter alongside Mai and we got Kula lol

Or simply replacing Mai since she was in 5. That way, it would of been *two* new characters from SNK's arsenal.

But gotta have them priorities. As for Kula, was also hoping for a better SNK character, but what Japan likes is what we get unfortunately. They picked Kula out of all characters lol. No Terry, Kyo, Blue Mary etc.

 

[Dionysus]

I feel like most people aren’t aware of just how characterless the XVV characters really are. Leaving aside that Rig and Mila aren’t “Itagaki” characters like keeps getting asserted. The most you can say about Marie and Honoka is that they were unique for the series (not overall of course). The XVV girls don’t even have that. They’re solely there to get people buying gacha and every second line of dialogue they have is being horny over the “owner” lmao. If they wanted to be accurate to the game they’d have to make them obsessed with him to a degree that makes Leifang’s stalking seem positively well-adjusted

 

[Cabecote]

(...) If they wanted to be accurate to the game they’d have to make them obsessed with him to a degree that makes Leifang’s stalking seem positively well-adjusted

... and Leifang going from socialite with a golden heart to hormone-imbalanced stalker was quite a feat!

 

[werewolfgold]

To be fair, she's not really that stalker-ish in DOA6.

 

[Dr PaC]

Word. If anything, she's a skip and a hop away from being over JannLee. Well, maybe more like a 2 block walk

 

[candynarwhal]

Look, the problem is that most every new (female) character introduced since Marie has a preoccupation with being cute.

Marie's supposed to be the "wicked little servant", but almost none of this attitude comes across in her personality - she mostly just whines to you about how small her tits are, is used for comical effect (trying to beat her way past Hayate/Bayman), or as a vehicle for Honoka to be the main character even though all she provides is inane commentary via obnoxious squeaking, while everyone else is doing their best to actually move the plot forward.

She's also shown to be very devoted to Helena, right - so again, where's the "wicked" aspect? A throwaway comment about taking out the garbage, wickedness does not make.

I don't even want to talk about Honoka. Her entire personality is her tits, and it upsets me, lmao.

NiCO at least has the potential to be kind of interesting - but whoever's been writing the story since DOA5 is doing a shit job, so she mainly comes off as one-dimensional, and again, the emphasis is on her flat chest and chubby face more than any flimsy reasoning she may have for what she's doing.

I mean, you know they only made her attempt to resurrect Maria so that she would have some relevancy in the greater scheme of the franchise, by giving her a tie to Helena that way. Same thing with making Honoka into Ayane's half-sister...

Nyotengu and Phase-4 are fine - people gave Nyo a lot of shit for being a cash grab gender-flip, but she has about the same level of depth as any DOA girl before her, and is comparatively in control of her sexuality, as far as how she flaunts it. Phase is ridiculously lazy from a visual design standpoint, but her gameplay is at least very unique, and her personality is kind of a call-back to DOA1/2 Kas...

Thing is, both Nyo and Phase are iterations of past characters. Every single new character - and this applies to the VV girls as well of course - their entire personality is comprised of a doll-like simper, and a binary choice of chest size. They're cute, and sexy in a sort of oblivious way, and that's all that matters.