Characters New Character Discussion

[crapoZK]

Well when it comes to the idea that she might be otaku, We don't even know what nationality she is. (And the english dub doesn't mean anything because they are almost always american) so she could still be from any country. It hope doa6 has more diverse characters because the most diverse character country wise in doa5 was Mila being ("Spanish" <- sure TN).

I thought Rig, because he's Canadian. CANADIAN. The only other Canadian character in a fighting game is Wolf from VF.

Mila being spanish makes sense though. She lives in New York/New Jersey where quite a bit of Spanish, Italian and Cuban people live (I believe. When I went to visit my Auntie, she lived in a Spanish/Cuban area). Mila is definitely American "of Spanish decent", but TN made her Spanish on paper to be different, I guess.

 

[Jadeinchains]

I thought Rig, because he's Canadian. CANADIAN. The only other Canadian character in a fighting game is Wolf from VF.

Mila being spanish makes sense though. She lives in New York/New Jersey where quite a bit of Spanish, Italian and Cuban people live (I believe. When I went to visit my Auntie, she lived in a Spanish/Cuban area). Mila is definitely American "of Spanish decent", but TN made her Spanish on paper to be different, I guess.

Oh yeah I completly forgot about Rig which shows you how much I am interested in him.

 

[Yurlungur]

I thought Rig, because he's Canadian. CANADIAN. The only other Canadian character in a fighting game is Wolf from VF.

• raven from tekken (he's actually from toronto my city!)
• Maxima from kof
• Miss Spencer and Candy cane from rumble roses
• Sasquatch from darkstalkers
• Does wolverine count???

 

[crapoZK]

• raven from tekken (he's actually from toronto my city!)
• Maxima from kof
• Miss Spencer and Candy cane from rumble roses
• Sasquatch from darkstalkers
• Does wolverine count???

• Oh shit yeah, I forgot about Maxima.
• I never played Rumble Roses.
• Sasquatch is Canadian? Shit.
• Same with Raven? GOD DAMN.

Wolverine... I don't know.
Back on topic though, I'm looking forward to this new character, because she's new. I wanna see how she fights. I'm calling Korean for nationality. It's strange that we don't have a Korean yet.

 

[Argentus]

That's why she was made. She was made to appeal to anime watchers. She wasn't made to be different, she was made to resemble other loli characters in order to get people to play DOA5U in the arcades.

Never forget that she was THE incentive to get Japanese people putting their 100Yen coins into that cabinet to play the new character. (Unless some who were playing DOA before this, and just wanted to play it in the arcades with people for that easy offline experience.)

She could have been arcade exclusive, but from what I remember, people did indeed want her to come to consoles. It would've been nice to have her look different, and be more unique, but MR is just a bonus character that we didn't need, but was nice to have. The only DLC character we ACTUALLY needed was Nyo-Tengu.

And its just a sad, depressing truth.

Well when it comes to the idea that she might be otaku, We don't even know what nationality she is. (And the english dub doesn't mean anything because they are almost always american) so she could still be from any country. I hope doa6 has more diverse characters because the most diverse character country wise in doa5 was Mila being ("Spanish" <- sure TN).

hahahaha oh my no.

they can call her Hispanic, but that girls bout as american as it gets lol.

I thought Rig, because he's Canadian. CANADIAN. The only other Canadian character in a fighting game is Wolf from VF.

Mila being spanish makes sense though. She lives in New York/New Jersey where quite a bit of Spanish, Italian and Cuban people live (I believe. When I went to visit my Auntie, she lived in a Spanish/Cuban area). Mila is definitely American "of Spanish decent", but TN made her Spanish on paper to be different, I guess.

But wasn't rig actually Donovan's kid? So either Donovan is an evil canadian or Rig isn't actually canadian and that was just part of his cover as an amnesiac oil worker.

On Mila...yeah that makes more sense. But it feels like if I tried to write down that I'm Cherokee Indian or from Ireland just because I have heritage that way, when the honest truth is I'm white as hell from a redneck background.

 

[Macca Beam]

If people can manage to complain about her after such a minor reveal, then there is going to be a figurative tsunami of whining when she is officially revealed. I might just avoid this site for a few days if the response to her is anything like the way the Tekken community responded to lucky Chloe.

Yup, popcorn's ready for this. I just hope the character's own board is clean.

The only DLC character we ACTUALLY needed

Whoa, hold it. Who is this "we" and why is their choice of DLC characters represent that of everybody else?
I want all five of them and wouldn't settle for anything less. I know there are others who do as well.

 

[crapoZK]

Whoa, hold it. Who is this "we" and why does their choice of DLC characters represent that of everybody else?
I want all five of them and wouldn't settle for anything less. I know there are others who do as well.

So do I. I like every single DLC character, and I bought them all. But what I'm saying (Or what I meant to say), is TN could have chose to not have them all, or not even make them. But TN is a very good team, and still gives us content that is not a necessity, but is still very nice to have, while still making them great respectable additions to the game. What I meant was, because Nyo-Tengu/Bankotsubo was one of the most requested characters, Nyo was something that had to be made, or we'd still have people ranting as to why Tengu isn't in DOA5U.

I get where you think I'm coming from though, and I typed in the wrong context.
They are all balanced, not rushed, and great ideas. You don't get that a lot from companies who dish out a lot of DLC. (GG's DLC characters are amazing also).

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Mila looks totally Spanish to me. Well in our world at least. In a fighting game she isn't stereotyped enough.
People must remember Spanish =/= South American.
Sure she doesn't have long curly hair, tanned skin or Penelope Cruz's facial structure, but not all Spanish people are like that.

Her main color being red and her jolly attitude is enough. She doesn't have to eat paella during her win pose.

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

My only hopes for the new character now is that she's atleast somewhat interesting, but from I can gather from her tease she seems to be targeted at the Japanese audience where Raidou was to calm down the "hey where is X old DOA charcter here" crowd.

I also wonder if we'll see future Character DLC for Last Round also, if they do focusing on past charcters to have a more full roster would be ideal, I mean new charcters are great but I'm already getting the feel that they're running out of ideas and thats bad for if we ever do get a DOA6 since we'd expect 2 -3 new original charcters at the least.

 

[Pink Nitro]

There is already quite a bit of negative opinion about the new girl and all we have seen of her is her hand and part of her hair. If people can manage to complain about her after such a minor reveal, then there is going to be a figurative tsunami of whining when she is officially revealed. I might just avoid this site for a few days if the response to her is anything like the way the Tekken community responded to lucky Chloe.

Oh no, I won't complain. That'll achieve nothing, at most what I'll do is "Oh..." then leave everyone to their devices while I go play something else to kill time until LR drops.

 

[Boogie]

my complaining about the new girl is part of my giant disdain for the lack of diversity in the cast. for all i know, i'll probably like her. i didn't think i would like marie rose but i do, same with phase 4. i could rant about the diversity, sexism, and representation all day, tho. i just know not to get my hopes up for something completely breathtaking only to be let down, because i will be. maybe in DoA6 i'll be more hyped for new diverse characters but for now, nah. i'm still buying LR weather i like the new girl or not.

 

[synce]

Mila looks totally Spanish to me. Well in our world at least. In a fighting game she isn't stereotyped enough.
People must remember Spanish =/= South American.
Sure she doesn't have long curly hair, tanned skin or Penelope Cruz's facial structure, but not all Spanish people are like that.

Her main color being red and her jolly attitude is enough. She doesn't have to eat paella during her win pose.

I don't think Mila has to be a stereotype but when I look at her I don't see Spain, and to me that's a failure on the character designer's part. I can say the same thing about Rig and Marie. To me Mila and Rig are American and Marie is Japanese - their official nationalities seem like they were just slapped on there in a poor attempt at diversity (although for Marie it's also like trolling Sweden for DOAD). For what it's worth I never had trouble accepting previous DOA character's nationalities

Anyway, the new girl. Everyone should brace for it lol

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Oh okay I understand then.

But I think it's something with recent characters in DOA, since Lisa. It's because it's harder to create ethnic features because they are 'smaller' in terms of worldwide reputation and there is no big "stereotyped nationalities" left (such as Brazil = brunette/curvy ass for instance, even though it is stupid and lazy).

Okay let's only look at the non Asian characters. Because their physical features - mostly the eyes - and costumes are different from the Caucasians, it's easier to assume they are either Indian, Japanese, Chinese or maybe Korean. Why ?
- because based on the fighting game demographic, it's not likely they are from let's say.. Vietnam or Mongolia
- because you can actually tell them apart based on wide the eyes are or based on what they are wearing (kimono, ninja outfit, cheongsam)

For non-Asian characters it's harder imo. Here are the list of non-Asian characters : Eliot, Mila, Tina, Helena, Lisa, Marie-Rose, Bayman, Leon, Christie, Rig, Bass, Hitomi and Zack. If you only look at their faces, you can't really tell anything.
Furthermore, I think (for me and most people) it's harder to identify Eliot as British, Hitomi as German, Mila as Spanish, Leon as Italian and Rig as Canadian because there are no real general clichés that can apply to them. If Helena didn't bear all the French stereotypes, she would totally look Russian to me.

Okay now with the big clichés for Japanese developers :
-British women are though to be cold and classy (Christie)
-French women are though to be haughty and sophisticated (Helena)
-Russian men are though to be ruthless and Dragunovesque (Bayman)
etc.

But what about Spain, Italy, etc. ? Tekken got it "right" with Miguel's hairy chest and Claudio's taste for fashion. But the others :
-Eliot could be French like Lion Rafale or German because he has blonde hair and blue eyes (stupid cliché)
-Mila could be Polish, Spanish, or anything actually
-Italian could be arab but doesn't have dark hair and a beard (actually not a cliché but a racial predominance)
-Rig could be anything, but as most people probably associates him with Prison Break he's North American

So yeah, in a nutshell I can see Spain in Mila, but yeah it's not written on her face, and that's the case for most characters lately. Imagine if Mila wasn't in DOA, if you had to design a Spanish girl, how would you do it except for the dark brown hair ? It's hard!

 

[Brute]

Just FYI all these wild speculations will be irrelevant in 4 days.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Yeah but it's nice to make theories and... see people's exceptations being crushed.

 

[DontForkWitMe]

Its mostly the outfit selection where Mila is clearly not representing her heritage in a single one of them. you'd never know Eliot is british by looking at him if it wasn't for his union jack designed clothes. Leon's the same hes italian but his main outfit is a turban and arab themed desert camo but both his casual outfits scream guido once you see him in them. tina and bass have typical texan/biker outfits that show there 'muricaness while Mila doesn't have a single outfit where you look at her and say "yep shes a latina"

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

Mila is European, not South American.

But hmm you're right maybe, but are there really typical Spanish outfits apart from the toreador costumes ? (that kind of inspired Vega's, Miguel's and Kirian's costumes in ST, Tekken and SSS). With Leon, TN probably though "hmmm okay, Italian ... Italy... spaghettis.. no... pizza... no... The Godfather! Let's give him a badass mafioso shirt". With Mila there isn't something like that.

That would look too strong and ridiculous a cliché for an urban character like Mila to wear a bull fight costume. Her red Victoria tops is enough for me.
But I must admit her casual costume totally screams "I'm gonna take a little stoll in Central Park after my part-time student job as a waitress".

So in my opinion, TN wanted to create a character for Spanish fighters but :
- it's a bit hard to give her Spanish attributes because our common culture regarding the country is limited compared to regions such as France, Britain, Texas, etc.
- they wanted her to appeal to US players in Vanilla, that's why we have rap, those stages and her storyline involves her working in a bar in NYC

I don't know about you guys, but her new bikini does scream "Spain" to me and not "French" for instance.

 

[Jyakotu]

while Mila doesn't have a single outfit where you look at her and say "yep shes a latina"

Well, being Spanish and being Latina are two different things. And I know quite a few bit of people who lack what people would consider typical Hispanic/Latino/Spaniard features and look like regular White folk. Honestly, it's better that Mila isn't a full blown stereotype, like most Spanish characters are in fighting games. If Team Ninja gave her a bull fighter outfit, I'm sure there would have been backlash, like with Miguel. And also, I couldn't picture Mila with a Spanish accent.

 

[VirtuaKazama]

Just FYI all these wild speculations will be irrelevant in 4 days.

Theories will be crushed, regardless.

 

[Argentus]

Mila looks totally Spanish to me. Well in our world at least. In a fighting game she isn't stereotyped enough.
People must remember Spanish =/= South American.
Sure she doesn't have long curly hair, tanned skin or Penelope Cruz's facial structure, but not all Spanish people are like that.

Her main color being red and her jolly attitude is enough. She doesn't have to eat paella during her win pose.

I meant the fact that, physically, she looks caucasian, plus her "casual" outfit dresses like a redneck, she's an american wrestling fan, and she works in a classic American diner in what looks to be new york.

So i'm fine with them saying she has some Spanish heritage, but this trying to claim shes straight from Spain is pure nonsense.

I don't think Mila has to be a stereotype but when I look at her I don't see Spain, and to me that's a failure on the character designer's part. I can say the same thing about Rig and Marie. To me Mila and Rig are American and Marie is Japanese - their official nationalities seem like they were just slapped on there in a poor attempt at diversity (although for Marie it's also like trolling Sweden for DOAD). For what it's worth I never had trouble accepting previous DOA character's nationalities

Anyway, the new girl. Everyone should brace for it lol

Exactly.

Mila is European, not South American.

But hmm you're right maybe, but are there really typical Spanish outfits apart from the toreador costumes ? (that kind of inspired Vega's, Miguel's and Kirian's costumes in ST, Tekken and SSS). With Leon, TN probably though "hmmm okay, Italian ... Italy... spaghettis.. no... pizza... no... The Godfather! Let's give him a badass mafioso shirt". With Mila there isn't something like that.

That would look too strong and ridiculous a cliché for an urban character like Mila to wear a bull fight costume. Her red Victoria tops is enough for me.
But I must admit her casual costume totally screams "I'm gonna take a little stoll in Central Park after my part-time student job as a waitress".

So in my opinion, TN wanted to create a character for Spanish fighters but :
- it's a bit hard to give her Spanish attributes because our common culture regarding the country is limited compared to regions such as France, Britain, Texas, etc.
- they wanted her to appeal to US players in Vanilla, that's why we have rap, those stages and her storyline involves her working in a bar in NYC

I don't know about you guys, but her new bikini does scream "Spain" to me and not "French" for instance.

Honestly, its not even about just Costumes. Its the fact that every little detail about her screams "pure american".