Lets talk about redesigns

[NewWestFan]

Whelp lmao guess I'll just preventively stop watching this thread now.

 

[Onryoki]

of course not. since i fully acknowledged the fact that it's not a cookie cutter textbook scientist, this is a pointless venture for me.
but to begin with, where is this written rule that a character of [occupation] has to look completely the part? none of the female ninja in this game (and any other fighting game) actually looks like a ninja either. but i can handwave it because ~they're grown~ and i have double standards.

though i find it's funny that we have people complaining about "tropes", and then we have people vehemently complaining about it NOT being tropey enough.


find me a stripper hostess that dresses as conservatively as that. go. you'll be more likely to run into nyotengu-lookalikes than any of the characters you're criticizing.


cringeworthy. pixels on a screen don't have controls over anything. it's a conscious decision by her creators.
and a femme fatale doesn't have to be a dominatrix.


you mean the way she has an incredible amount of exposed skin, her navel is enjoying the force of the wind 24/7 and some of her articles being semitransparent?

Why do you keep making the topic about something else? Stay on the topic.


Anyway, I wonder if Lisa will get a new hairstyle, one that isn’t like that disgusting silver hair.

 

[Atahotaku]

But I will say I always assumed Lisa was AfroLatina. Her description says her nationality is American, which doesnt necessarily rule it out, but there is no reference to Mexican ethnicity. Her character doesnt have any kind of Latina accent, even though Helena is voice with French, and batman with Russian.

I always though of Lisa as a brasilian with residence on USA, for the capoeira techniques in his Lucha Libre

 

[Macca Beam]

why am I making the topic about something else? it was a conversation involving multiple people. i wasn't talking to myself. the topic moves on to something else when it's collectively dropped. this thread had "let's talk about..." in the title, anyway.

^^^^i have no idea why you're flip flopping to fighting style and talking about characters wearing others' costumes when the original post was criticizing the way you aggressively defended tropes only when they're your favorite while massively generalizing others and having severe double standards.

Helena is blah an opera singer blah opera dress something
Tina is a slut blah equally slutty costumes blah
but a scientist that shits out electric dressed in a futuristic longcoat (that i find really sexy btw) oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

okay.

 

[Truth]

of course not. and since i fully acknowledged the fact that it's not a cookie cutter textbook scientist, this is a pointless venture for me. but to begin with, where is this written rule that a character of [occupation] has to look completely the part? none of the female ninja in this game (and any other fighting game) actually looks like a ninja either. but i can handwave it because ~they're grown~ and i have double standards.

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though i find it's funny that we have people complaining about "tropes", and then we have people vehemently complaining about it NOT being tropey enough.

I have no problem with tropey characters nor sexual characters , so long as they are formed convincingly and make sense.

Reading is fundamental.

find me a stripper hostess that dresses as conservatively as that. go. you'll be more likely to run into nyotengu-lookalikes than any of the characters you're criticizing.

And thats fine, seeing as Nyontengu's face and figure reads like an adult.

cringeworthy. pixels on a screen don't have controls over anything. it's a conscious decision by her creators.

I'm referring to how her character is written, genius.

and a femme fatale doesn't have to be a dominatrix.

never said otherwise.

you mean the way she has an incredible amount of exposed skin, her navel is enjoying the force of the wind 24/7 and some of her articles being semitransparent?

I mean, no matter how much you wish to play dumb, SC is not made the laughing stock between the 2. If you cant see why, thae that only says something about your own taste levels.

 

[jellypvdding]

Anyway, I wonder if Lisa will get a new hairstyle, one that isn’t like that disgusting silver hair.

same. like for the purposes of the gust mashup outfit it got a pass but was otherwise horrible. haha. :-D

there are some really cute hairstyles for short hair that lisa could pull off so i'm hoping they add at least two options this time around.

 

[human013]

Nope. Despite being 2 busty blondes, If Helena started fighting with Tina's style it would look fundamentally wrong. She is a French former opera singer, a form of high culture which indicates opulence and class, she is tempered and seductive and needs a fighting style and costume to match. Tina while also sexual, has a wild and crass personality, she is american and southern and a wrestler.... there is no reason for her to dress in French aristocrat inspired garments. No more than there is a reason for Lisa to dress in a konoichi dress or Kasumi as a luchadora. The same can not be said about Nico who could have very easily been a Marie Rose reskin. Completely disposable and dusty neon wig will not change that.

You stripped Nico of her traits, the hair, personality, and outfit, to make your point about it being generic, but won't do the same to characters like Kasumi and Ayane, Kokoro and Leifang, or any other characters. Now you bring in fighting styles? I don't know where you are going with this but since you can't think in an unbiased way then I'm done here.

why am I making the topic about something else? it was a conversation involving multiple people. i wasn't talking to myself. the topic moves on to something else when it's collectively dropped. this thread had "let's talk about..." in the title, anyway.

^^^^i have no idea why you're flip flopping to fighting style and talking about characters wearing others' costumes when the original post was criticizing the way you aggressively defended tropes only when they're your favorite while massively generalizing others and having severe double standards.


okay.

We should drop it. It's literally just a matter of preference going by what has been posted. Some tropes are believable because it is liked and "generic" and others are not because it isn't liked. The new character's traits were stripped to make a point but when he is told to do the same for the older cast the topic suddenly moved to fighting styles.

 

[Onryoki]

Can this thread be closed already? I’m so tired of these people constantly changing your quotes making it seem like you said something completely different and deranging the thread into a tits/loli discussion. This thread was meant to talk about redesign for characters, costumes and stages. So let’s actually talk about that. Period.

same. like for the purposes of the gust mashup outfit it got a pass but was otherwise horrible. haha. :-D

there are some really cute hairstyles for short hair that lisa could pull off so i'm hoping they add at least two options this time around.

That hair is horrible with every costume, that hair should be forgotten and never be brung up again. Lisa could get something so much better.

 

[Macca Beam]

Reading is fundamental.
so long as they are formed convincingly and make sense.

shit that are formed "convincingly" and played as safe and by the textbook as possible ARE inherently tropey and archetypal. you're contradicting yourself.

I'm referring to how her character is written.

she didn't write herself. someone at project soul intentionally wrote it to strike the right chords on some people's reproductive organs.

I mean, no matter how much you wish to play dumb, SC is not made the laughing stock between the 2. If you cant see why, thae that only says something about your own taste levels.

yeah, it wasn't made the laughing stock between the 2 because it didn't have people going to these embarrassing lengths to defend their digital waifu. didn't i say this already?

nah, just like you, i think there's something classy about little girls in semitransparent pants.

 

[Truth]

I always though of Lisa as a brasilian with residence on USA, for the capoeira techniques in his Lucha Libre

I used to think Brazilian too. I wonder why they have omitted this information.

^^^^i have no idea why you're flip flopping to fighting style and talking about characters wearing others' costumes when the original post was criticizing the way you aggressively defended tropes only when they're your favorite while massively generalizing others and having severe double standards.

okay.

You dont seem to understand that in order to create a memorable and believable character in a fighting game, their fighting style, image, personality and backstory to a degree necessitates coherence. When developers do not take all of these factors into consideration and put a Lolita in a randomised slot machine, we get this turd. Trashy and disposable.

 

[SaihateDYNAMO]

funny how the thread itself ended up getting the biggest redesign of them all

 

[Project Bokuho]

@CyberEvil

 

[Macca Beam]

You dont seem to understand that in order to create a memorable and believable character in a fighting game, their fighting style, image, personality and backstory to a degree necessitates coherence.

that's completely false. memorable and believable are not mutual. the entire guilty gear and skullgirls casts (and every 2d fighter, while we're at it) were not believable, but they sure as hell are memorable.
now this new bitch is going to be a memorable character just because of how special snowflake she is.
coherence? an electric spilling scientist in glasses and a sleek, futuristic costume is as coherent as it gets. it even has the non-natural hair to compliment how out-there everything else already is. i can't believe we're going full circle to "it's TOO original and unrecognizable wtf!!", but i guess anything can happen.

this is way too much "i don't like it and it's not old so it's bad" and the thread is going to hell because of you.

funny how the thread itself ended up getting the biggest redesign of them all

underrated post

 

[Truth]

shit that are formed "convincingly" and played as safe and by the textbook as possible ARE inherently tropey and archetypal. you're contradicting yourself.

Im not because once again, I said I have nothing against tropes in fighting games. What part of that is not computing? You should read my posts thrice before responding because your comprehension is super poor tbh.

she didn't write herself. someone at project soul intentionally wrote it

oh for real? who would have known

 

[Macca Beam]

then you really shouldn't have derailed a thread for that long just to talk about what you subjectively find convincing and makes sense.

 

[Truth]

that's completely false. memorable and believable are not mutual.

this statement is not making sense.

the entire guilty gear and skullgirls casts (and every 2d fighter, while we're at it) were not believable, but they sure as hell are memorable.

They were believable in the context of the universe they were created in. There is also tonal coherence in the roster. Something DOA used to have until they inundated the game with children and sloppy character designs.

this is way too much "i don't like it and it's not old so it's bad" and the thread is going to hell because of you.

Suffer

 

[Macca Beam]

you're not the person who gets to say what's in a universe because it wasn't your own creation, and a universe doesn't have to stand still. this is the exact type of fake doa fan i talked about earlier, the ones who have been tranced by itagaki into accepting the status quo and stagnation until the later games' wake up calls gave them a nasty surprise.

"waah it's not doa because it didn't follow this exact same formula"

cry me and everybody a river. this is as bad as the guy who couldn't shut up about tits.

 

[mizking]

This thread is why Sony is censoring shit

 

[just_me]

Mhm... I just noticed that they actually revealed 3 costumes for NiCO already… in the scene where she fixes Robo-Raidou she wears a normal jacket and a skirt and not her C1. I completely missed that lol

Poor Helena… took several months before she got a second costume and the new girls has 3 costumes on day 1

 

[Truth]

"waah it's not doa because it didn't follow this exact same formula"

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