DOA5LR Honoka Reveal Trailer

Releasing a day earlier than its original January 15th reveal date (all in part to yesterday's scan/screenshot leaks), here is the official reveal trailer for Honoka, "a sweet, easygoing kind of girl," Koei Tecmo subtly points out.

Her fighting style looks strikingly similar to a few of the cast members, doesn't it?

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Dead or Alive 5 Last Round Honoka Reveal Trailer

 

Did I just see Leon's and one of his high counter holds?

Her running P and mid K hold are also Leon's.

 

Dead Or Alive 5 Last Round - Honoka Command Training

Goddamn it. She has a ton of signature moves and many of of the characters good strings. Zach's duck? Like every whiff punisher... This is retarded man.

 

Goddamn it. She has a ton of signature moves and many of of the characters good strings. Zach's duck? Like every whiff punisher... This is retarded man.

Pretty much. Honoka AKA "the salad" & "blown opportunity."

Now that I think on it, in the very first DoA there was a character in it that hasn't been seen in the rest of the series right? Why didn't they just bring her back & expand/improve her style?

 

Pretty much. Honoka AKA "the salad" & "blown opportunity."

Now that I think on it, in the very first DoA there was a character in it that hasn't been seen in the rest of the series right? Why didn't they just bring her back & expand/improve her style?

...and which character is that?

 

...and which character is that?

I'm hoping someone here can tell me. Am I wrong or thinking of another franchise, or am I right? If so, does anyone know the name of the character I'm thinking of? I don't think she was playable, if that helps.

 

I'm hoping someone here can tell me. Am I wrong or thinking of another franchise, or am I right? If so, does anyone know the name of the character I'm thinking of?

Thinking of another franchise.

 

Have a feeling Honaka is that type of character you want to avoid losing against if at all possible.

 

God only knows how they are going to balance her. As well as having some of the best moves in the game I also saw a lot of sit down stuns and bounds in that training video, more than other characters currently have. I'm sure they will make it work but I'm not sure how. Being really unsafe and having low damage isn't a big deal when you have a move set like that.

 

lets not forget Tekken 7's new addition since we r on the topic of unoriginality.

i know except for shaheen.

 

I can imagine almost every competitive player using Honoka in tournaments especially TFC LOL.

 

I'm hoping someone here can tell me. Am I wrong or thinking of another franchise, or am I right? If so, does anyone know the name of the character I'm thinking of? I don't think she was playable, if that helps.

It was a guy, and he was turned into Zack.

 

Lets see...
Marie's face... belittles Marie's appeal...
Raidou's concept... belittles Raidou's uniqueness...
yeah .. fuck this shit...

This is a lazy ass design .. and a cheap way to whore money out of us...

Good job Team Ninja... what a way to fucking kill your own game with your own hands...

You know where the irony is? I've had many instances where I've spoken to many of the team's members in private... and so many times have we brought up the bad decisions namco did with Elysium, Edge Master and Kilik in SCV ... and how clone characters are just lazy designs...
Fucking Hypocrites...

Seriously ... I don't think I will be supporting this game as much as before because frankly its not worth it..

We try and try and try to show a serious side and they flood their marketing with swimsuits and giant tits... not to mention now we have some characters topless... Guess which videos people see first, our hard work and research or their shitty advertising?

We will never be taken seriously in the FGC ... and its all their fault.

If they can't even design a new fucking face let alone a unique character, watch the netcode be as shitty as its always been..
I'm done.

Removal of good mechanics when ultimate came out and constant patches nerfing stuff and this is what put you over the edge? There are way more things wrong with DoA than some character with a mixed moveset regardless of how lazy it is.

 

No. They expect people to buy it just because it's being released on more platforms in higher resolution.

When Blu-Ray first came out, i had trouble explaining to my father that the blu-Ray edition of the "The Day the Earth Stood Still" would be no clearer on Blu-Ray than being on VHS made it in color. This is something that alot of people don't get, which is why MS gets away with "this version is faster" with windows, why Sony gets away with "now with True HD graphics," and alot of things. Surprise, surprise, they're using terms that aren't regulated (not that governments actually protect the consumer, but the fact remains).

When DoA5 came out & the VF characters were put in I was ecstatic; it looked to me like the new Team Ninja was going to go in a more serious direction (lets be honest eh, the DoA franchise was always known as a "boobs & bruises" series). As DoA5 gave way to DoA5U I saw stuff that belonged more in the DoAX franchise but went along with it since the DLC in this game, just as with most other games these days, is the moneymaker.
My thing, as I've written at nauseam, is that they blew an opportunity to introduce an actual new fighting style; I could have stomached her busty Marie Rose schtick otherwise. I could have even stomached "Honoka fu" being a made up/imaginary fighting style otherwise, that would show (to me at least) that they were at least trying.
How badly, if at all, will this character hurt the series in the long run? I only know the reactions from here & Steam. @EMPEROR_COW based on your post, I want to know how it's being viewed on Twitter. Link please?

You see, this is the one thing i like about Monoka. Jann Lee and Jacky do not use Jeet Kune Do. They use Jan Fan. Monoka is the TRUE Jeet Kune Do fighter. That said, her character design is what bothers me. This isn't just some random character they made, she's a clear ripoff (and possibly guest) character from an anime, where we have actual information about the character. She is the true Lolita, as well, and while the outfits are funny, they're not funny when it ain't legal, and i feel they're pushing the envelope ("we all know she's not 18, but we're gonna throw the number up so she's not banned, then we're going to push her as far as we can just to rub it in").

You see here's the problem ...
We politely asked them to tone down the oversexualization... they went topless.
We politely asked them for more stages, specific stages... and the fact that stages define DOA... well look what we got...
We privately spoke about how Namco fucked up with SCV placing too many clones and copy/paste characters... its like we spoke to different people that decided to make Honoka...
We politely asked for a better netcode... Honestly, I have very low expectations that will even get fixed anymore... nor has there even been any official mention about improvement. Only talk behind closed doors, which I personally no longer believe.
Polite doesn't work with them ...
Their fanbase focus is mainly Japan ... so I am talking to the Japan fanbase now and they are siding with me.. just look at how my Japanese tweets are blowing up about Honoka.
believe me I really love this game... The frustration I am showing is mainly because I don't want this game to go to shit ... We already have enough trouble trying to promote it ... you might not feel it in the states but here in Saudi and back in the UK the FGC is heavily SF and Tekken based. Team Ninja's shitty promotions of Soft engine/Swimwear/Honoka are just not helpful. They need to show that this game is first and foremost a fucking fighting game and they don't even know how to do that nor do they listen to reason.
I told them in person and showed them even that Capcom for example release changelog videos for updates... Shimbori's answer was, we can easily do that... well .. what the fuck are they waiting for? That alone would show the community and reassure us hardcore players that the company does indeed care about us.
I am honestly losing motivation to make any future content... hell I'm not even motivated to finish up editing the Kokoro video.. and it only needs finishing touches... I'm gonna do it ... just ... honestly feel really let down by them.
DOA5 Faces were one of their biggest strongpoints in terms of evolution and superiority over other fighters and also a huge step from past DOAs in a sense that you can actually tell the characters apart even if they were all bald... and now they turned it into a copy/paste job... Its simply unforgivable... hell I am even trying to keep an open mind about Honoka's moveset because the combination of styles may prove to be interesting... but even that to many people is also a sign of a lazy half-assed job... not to mention that it devalues the whole concept of Raidou (which actually does piss me off alot).
I'm not too keen on Last Round as much anymore...

MAYBE with jap support something will change, but i don't know. If they would listen instead of hearing, maybe they could improve the series.
見てたら、今耳にしてると分かるけれど、聞き入れてないとも分かりますよ。

Goddamn it. She has a ton of signature moves and many of of the characters good strings. Zach's duck? Like every whiff punisher... This is retarded man.

Remember my training mode idea of having a character that knows a little of everything, so people could learn the whole game with one really basic beginner character? Given DoA's learning curve, this is the lost opportunity that no one is even talking about.

 

Ein's 33T and 236P....

*Cough*

Anyway, yeah she's a copycat but her style of play will definitely be unique vs anyone else due to the excessive amount of options she has. An actual original character would have still been better but we all know that already. I'm wondering how they're going to do with without breaking her.

So far Raidou looks like the Ein of clone characters and Honoka looks like the Hitomi. Not a good sign.

 

I get that a lot of you are unhappy with the addition, but at the very least, it's an addition. They're not taking away a character or replacing someone with something you don't like.

If you dislike the character, don't use her. I think it's a pretty simple concept. The game's not ruined yet, considering we have no idea what the extent of her movelist is, no idea what can transition into what, how she'll be played, or even how good she is.

You can hate a character, that's fine, even though you're judging her based on an extremely short video. That said, all of this "wow, DOA is ruined GG I'm out" is not only childish, but completely idiotic.

Wait. Wait until you see how DOALR ends up. Just wait. Even if she is an awful character, just...you know...don't use her.

Spoken like a true Pai player.

 

No sense in complaining about it though. She's here.

I mean, I don't think people should have to pretend that they're happy with it if they're not. We are the consumers after all. Just as those who like her can express praise, those who don't should be able to express their dissatisfaction. If everyone that doesn't like her shuts up, then Team Ninja isn't getting the full picture.

You see, this is the one thing i like about Monoka. Jann Lee and Jacky do not use Jeet Kune Do. They use Jan Fan.

Minor, but I'm pretty sure it's "Jun Fan".

Remember my training mode idea of having a character that knows a little of everything, so people could learn the whole game with one really basic beginner character? Given DoA's learning curve, this is the lost opportunity that no one is even talking about.

This might be true, but I don't think Honoka's going to stop any beginners from mashing their way through matches and then having no real reason why they end up losing if it happens.

 

Minor, but I'm pretty sure it's "Jun Fan".

Bruce Lee would say it's a big deal, seeing as that's the whole point behind Jeet Kune Do: No styles: you make your own.

This might be true, but I don't think Honoka's going to stop any beginners from mashing their way through matches and then having no real reason why they end up losing if it happens.

No, but there's nothing to fix that. However, it's the most useful character to someone who's trying to make teaching videos, a tutorial mode, or anyone who's trying to learn the basic mechanics of the game without half learning 3 or 4 characters before they even decide who they want to main. It's like Mario or Kirby in smash: the basic beginners that let people get a taste of everything, but the characters suck to the degree that you inevitably switch and move on to someone who you can get behind.

 

Bruce Lee would say it's a big deal, seeing as that's the whole point behind Jeet Kune Do: No styles: you make your own.

I just meant you were spelling the name wrong. It is kind of a big deal seeing as Jun-Fan is the guy's name. lol

 

Behold!

 

Behold!

And in certain motifs it looks like a circle. In others, it hides.

I just meant you were spelling the name wrong. It is kind of a big deal seeing as Jun-Fan is the guy's name. lol

I didn't even catch that. My japanese be better than my Chinese. For some real fun, look up the many ways of romanizing it.

Chinese name 李小龍 (traditional)
Chinese name 李小龙 (simplified)
Pinyin Lǐ Xiǎolóng (Mandarin)
Jyutping Lei5 Siu2 Lung4 (Cantonese)
Birth name Lee Jun-fan
李振藩 (Traditional)
李振藩 (Simplified)
Lǐ Zhènfān (Mandarin)
Lei5 Zan3 Faan4 (Cantonese)

Though, i want to blame Dan. I've been saying Jun Fan until i recently heard him saying Jan Fan (maybe i heard him wrong).