Final Fantasy Thread

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Trueblade Seeker did another breakdown for Ace.

its going to be awhile before he can do the same for Sephroth but he did mention some interesting things here.

 

[Chapstick]

RIP Noctis 2006-2016

 

[KasumiLover]

:-(

 

[Hayabusiness]

RIP Noctis 2006-2016

Good riddance! Bye bye Nomura reject!

(Not trying to "anger" Tyaren or anything )

 

[DestructionBomb]

Watching video, holding opinions atm... will edit.
Wow he has been toned down hard.
His aesthetics are no longer about lightning fast attacks. Lost a few attacks but he got a few new ones.
Looks like he has a passive ability to dash after hitting with attacks, perfectly timing gets him dashing faster.
Not sure I like how he turned out right now, my favorite move was cut and he lost quite a few HP attacks.

BTW Sephiroth is popular because FF7. Yes, he is a very powerful person but his power and character is not why he is popular imo (people use that as an excuse nowadays, he is awful as a character). He never expresses any emotion beyond slight joy and slight sadness, even when not polygonal and voice acted. Very monotone, unemotional to a fault, his power is all he really is as a character. As a Dissidia charcater he really looks dull now, especially with his cut Brave Attacks, let alone his Meteor and rapid slash HP attacks (and Sin Harvest and EX Mode).

How is his character awful? it's not incredibly great but if you want to destroy the world for someone else (Jenova) with psychological issues to boot, that is a good villain. It's not on Kefka's level of insanity but he is rather insane. You do evil things for ridiculous things but somehow retain some intelligence about it, yet you still want to do it anyway without a true legitimate reason? that is a ridiculous villain on higher notch. Monotone? absolutely, possibly one of the few things that I dislike about him along with the messiah-god complex and listening to someone that isn't his real mother. It's cringeful at it's finest.

As for popularity, I'm positively sure majority of it was power related. Have you seen GameFAQS and FF forums with Sephiroth topics on vs X character topics for over 600 pages? even his character design is what drew people in. FF7 was the reason for that and the peak of attraction from the viewers as a mass when he burned Nibelheim (CG scene)

For Dissidia back then, his Octaslash carried him with specifics and BRV accumulation as well as splatting them for walls. He wasn't exactly top quality in vanilla and 012 since he was pretty dull on those games too.

SE may have designed him but Disney owns the rights to kingdom hearts.

People are asking for "Sora".

"One" character.

They are not asking for Disney characters. All righted material from company development belongs to them.

"Sora" belongs to "Square Enix."

Disney does not completely own Kingdom Hearts. It's co-developed and funded help by them, but they do not own the game. They have rights to it because Disney characters are in it along with story-plot influenced, but more heavily to Square Enix in terms of who gets to decide who gets in that are not Disney characters. It is a collaboration between Square Enix and Disney Interactive Studios and is under the direction of Tetsuya Nomura. Kingdom Hearts is a crossover of various Disney settings based in a universe made specifically for the series. - Copy and pasted. You are welcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts

Also Sora is announced as upcoming WoFF content. Again, owned by Square Enix. People are not asking for Donald, Goofy, Herc, Hades, Mulan, Mushu etc etc etc. They are asking for..............Sora........made......by Square.

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

Personally id probably prefer Aqua for KH Rep but Sora pretty much IS KH at this point. plus Sora would hype up the next FFVsXIII I mean KH3

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

its a strange issue so im not going to say I know for sure however in an interview Nomura flat out states Disney has almost full control of the Kingdom Hearts property

http://www.kh2.co.uk/website/interviews/opm

Indeed, not unlike a parent giving a child up for adoption, Nomura has no control over Sora or any other original characters appearing in Kingdom Hearts. The contract between Square Enix and Disney gives almost full control of the Kingdom Hearts property over to Disney. If you happen to see Sora appearing outside of a game in a something like a cartoon, there’s very little chance Nomura is involved, but that doesn’t affect his excitement (or ours) for Kingdom Hearts II.

 

[Hayabusiness]

IMO, Sephiroth's problem is that the original game did not give me enough flash backs to truly feel him. Yes, he is very intimidating, and the game has an incredible atmosphere whenever he is involved, but I would have loved to see more of his life as a kid, as a SOLDIER, or when Hojo decided to impregnate Lucrecia with him.

Combined with his nowdays silly design, I felt a bit disappointed in a sense... I wish I could have seen more. This is one of the things that I feel is lacking in the original game' story.

Example from another Square game of the time, Xenogears.
Gears has possibly more holes and unfinished parts than FFVII, but there is a character created artificially like Sephiroth was, and he is a villain for the majority of the game. Unlike Sephiroth, I felt much more engrossed and attached to him because we saw his private life, we knew how he was before the beginning of the game, we discover his traumatic conception, and how he crawled from literal garbage as a semi-fetus to live.

With Sephiroth we only see the flashbacks in Nibelheim and to me, that was not enough, for such an important character. Some of his scenes were brilliant though.

 

[DestructionBomb]

its a strange issue so im not going to say I know for sure however in an interview Nomura flat out states Disney has almost full control of the Kingdom Hearts property

http://www.kh2.co.uk/website/interviews/opm

Wikipedia totally blew that one out the water. Plus I seen that one on Siliconera as well but it was deconfirmed. You brought up stuff that was deconfirmed years later when KH2 was announced and the ending PS2 time of that game.

 

[KasumiLover]

IMO, Sephiroth's problem is that the original game did not give me enough flash backs to truly feel him. Yes, he is very intimidating, and the game has an incredible atmosphere whenever he is involved, but I would have loved to see more of his life as a kid, as a SOLDIER, or when Hojo decided to impregnate Lucrecia with him.

Combined with his nowdays silly design, I felt a bit disappointed in a sense... I wish I could have seen more. This is one of the things that I feel is lacking in the original game' story.

Example from another Square game of the time, Xenogears.
Gears has possibly more holes and unfinished parts than FFVII, but there is a character created artificially like Sephiroth was, and he is a villain for the majority of the game. Unlike Sephiroth, I felt much more engrossed and attached to him because we saw his private life, we knew how he was before the beginning of the game, we discover his traumatic conception, and how he crawled from literal garbage as a semi-fetus to live.

With Sephiroth we only see the flashbacks in Nibelheim and to me, that was not enough, for such an important character. Some of his scenes were brilliant though.

Who needs good design when you got HAIR?? Jk XD

 

[Hayabusiness]

Who needs good design when you got HAIR?? Jk XD

It's hard for me to find his design not ridiculous after years of "Sephi" fangirls...

I mean, I *love* long hair on a man but it's not everything, haha.

 

[KasumiLover]

It's hard for me to find his design not ridiculous after years of "Sephi" fangirls...

I mean, I *love* long hair on a man but it's not everything, haha.

I'm hoping KT does a good job on his portrayal in the game, maybe that can make up for lack of general good image as a character. Besides his awesome game play and that long thin sword of his, I'm honestly using him since he has the longest mane in the game XD He may not be as good as the last game but I love a challenge. I wonder if the console will have English dub too?

 

[Tyaren]

Good riddance! Bye bye Nomura reject!

(Not trying to "anger" Tyaren or anything )

Lol, I don't take any offense. Kasumilover is the Noctis fanboy.

 

[Hayabusiness]

Lol, I don't take any offense. Kasumilover is the Noctis fanboy.

Dammit! My plans have been foiled again! Just you wait Tyaren, just you waiiiiit!

 

[DestructionBomb]

IMO, Sephiroth's problem is that the original game did not give me enough flash backs to truly feel him. Yes, he is very intimidating, and the game has an incredible atmosphere whenever he is involved, but I would have loved to see more of his life as a kid, as a SOLDIER, or when Hojo decided to impregnate Lucrecia with him.

Combined with his nowdays silly design, I felt a bit disappointed in a sense... I wish I could have seen more. This is one of the things that I feel is lacking in the original game' story.

Example from another Square game of the time, Xenogears.
Gears has possibly more holes and unfinished parts than FFVII, but there is a character created artificially like Sephiroth was, and he is a villain for the majority of the game. Unlike Sephiroth, I felt much more engrossed and attached to him because we saw his private life, we knew how he was before the beginning of the game, we discover his traumatic conception, and how he crawled from literal garbage as a semi-fetus to live.

With Sephiroth we only see the flashbacks in Nibelheim and to me, that was not enough, for such an important character. Some of his scenes were brilliant though.

See that's different. That is more missing links as a character, though it is unknown if this will boost any sorts of connection to viewers (unless the writers provided something that catches their attention. Like something incredibly sad from Lucrecia and experiments etc). In my opinion, they should of done that since the beginning (even Zack, but later fixed with Crisis Core.) but that's just me. I do agree with you on it though.

Sephiroth is alright, but he's not an awful villain though. It's merely people's taste on what they don't like about him and some of them are valid reasons as to why that even I agree with. He's pretty standard to say the least. Insane but not too insane. Not the best villains but he's somewhere up there.

If I had to put my own opinion on the matter, they could improve on him with his personality but I doubt that'll happen. The whole Jenova planet thing he's got going on about is pretty lame, which makes him pretty lame (at least for me regarding that imo). Powerful character with a silly role that actually ends pretty dramatic, but could of done differently.

I wonder if the console will have English dub too?

I mean for sure, I don't see why not.

 

[Project Bokuho]

Dammit! My plans have been foiled again! Just you wait Tyaren, just you waiiiiit!

Just talk about Prompto aka the "wanna be punkrock fuccboi", and he'll be triggered xD

 

[Tyaren]

Just talk about Prompto aka the "wanna be punkrock fuccboi", and he'll be triggered xD

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Wikipedia totally blew that one out the water. Plus I seen that one on Siliconera as well but it was deconfirmed. You brought up stuff that was deconfirmed years later when KH2 was announced and the ending PS2 time of that game.

forgive me but i see nothing on wikipedia mentioning ownership.

everywhere else is saying that Disney owns Sora, Disneys copyright shows up on Sora in WoFF, and John Vignocchi the VP of Disney Infinity apparently said

“A lot of people are confused about who exactly owns Kingdom Hearts, but it's Disney - it's developed in partnership with Square-Enix.”

 

[DestructionBomb]

forgive me but i see nothing on wikipedia mentioning ownership.

everywhere else is saying that Disney owns Sora, Disneys copyright shows up on Sora in WoFF, and John Vignocchi the VP of Disney Infinity apparently said

“A lot of people are confused about who exactly owns Kingdom Hearts, but it's Disney - it's developed in partnership with Square-Enix.”

If a staple character is developed by one company studio and later co-shared for use with other property characters such as Disney characters it does not automatically justify as a property owned by Disney themselves. John Vignocchi stated about owning Kingdom Hearts but that's merely the conception that the game is highly based with Disney characters with them themselves funding that project for Square Enix. They provided the majority of funds to Square because without them there wouldn't be a KH to begin with. In logic and works, technically they gave them the most resources and logically they do own such thing, but in actuality, they really don't besides the rights to their own characters because almost the entirety of KH is Disney. When you have a human body, it will not function without the head, but the head isn't going anywhere if it doesn't have a human core body.

Disney has made no statement that they own a character that was fully developed by Square Enix's hands.

Heh I must admit, you did make me curious to look up more of it regarding the true holdings with the biggest shares that they get since you mentioned John Vignocchi. I remember seeing that on a Youtube comment but I'll dig into it too.

 

[UpSideDownGRUNT]

IMO, Sephiroth's problem is that the original game did not give me enough flash backs to truly feel him. Yes, he is very intimidating, and the game has an incredible atmosphere whenever he is involved, but I would have loved to see more of his life as a kid, as a SOLDIER, or when Hojo decided to impregnate Lucrecia with him.

Combined with his nowdays silly design, I felt a bit disappointed in a sense... I wish I could have seen more. This is one of the things that I feel is lacking in the original game' story.

Example from another Square game of the time, Xenogears.
Gears has possibly more holes and unfinished parts than FFVII, but there is a character created artificially like Sephiroth was, and he is a villain for the majority of the game. Unlike Sephiroth, I felt much more engrossed and attached to him because we saw his private life, we knew how he was before the beginning of the game, we discover his traumatic conception, and how he crawled from literal garbage as a semi-fetus to live.

With Sephiroth we only see the flashbacks in Nibelheim and to me, that was not enough, for such an important character. Some of his scenes were brilliant though.

The extremely lame "final battle" didn't exactly help... I wanted a real final battle.

Heres hoping that's something they'll do in the Remake, just using Omnislash wether you even have it or not was very anti-climactic imo.