Characters Blackburry's DOA5LR Tier List

[Blackburry]

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I briefly discuss why I think each character is where they are on my twitch: twitch.tv/blackburrychaos
Sorry if I didn't touch of every point as each character could be debated and discuss for a long time.

 

[ryu_highabusa]

How can ya'll have definitive tier lists when they just discovered new tech two weeks ago? Bruh.

 

[Blackburry]

How can ya'll have definitive tier lists when they just discovered new tech two weeks ago? Bruh.

Quite easy, and I am not basing this list on FSDC, because the meta hasn't reached a point where it is viable competitively yet. Not only that but DOA5 is holding on to life by a thread, and would already be done if it wasn't for DOA6 coming so soon, but again DOA6 is coming so yeah.

 

[Bacaww]

For what reason is the tier difference between Phase 4 and Kasumi so big

 

[Force_of_Nature]

For what reason is the tier difference between Phase 4 and Kasumi so big

Damage.

Kasumi still seems a bit low though.

 

[Bacaww]

Damage.

Kasumi still seems a bit low though.

Kasumi can still do a fair amount of damage without having so much risks attached like P4, I think Kasumi should move up to A-tier

 

[Blackburry]

Kasumi can still do a fair amount of damage without having so much risks attached like P4, I think Kasumi should move up to A-tier

No Kasumi isn't really that great to be completely honest. She has to play a lot of stun game for fairly average damage. Phase 4 does an insane amount of damage on normal hit, counter hit, and from throws. Her 2p is 0, and she is the fastest speed class in the game, so phase 4 has a really easy time opening you up. On top of that, she has some really low-risk high reward situations.

Keep in mind B tier isn't terrible. She's mid.

 

[Ethan]

I thought since this is the end I'd drop my Tier list.
S- Gen, Christie, Leifang, Hayate, Rig, Eliot

A- Phase, Tina, Hayabusa, Akira, Mai, Bayman, Ayane, Helena, Pai, Mila, Zack

B- Alpha, Sarah, Rachel, Hitomi, Jann, Lisa, Kasumi, Kokoro, Marie, Jacky

C- Nyotengu, Bass, Leon, Brad

D- Momiji, Raidou, Honoka, Naotora

E- Ein

 

[Bacaww]

No Kasumi isn't really that great to be completely honest. She has to play a lot of stun game for fairly average damage. Phase 4 does an insane amount of damage on normal hit, counter hit, and from throws. Her 2p is 0, and she is the fastest speed class in the game, so phase 4 has a really easy time opening you up. On top of that, she has some really low-risk high reward situations.

Keep in mind B tier isn't terrible. She's mid.

Phase 4 barely has strings and 90% of her moves are unsafe. Which already makes her a high risk character, she has to commit on every occassion to open up the opponent. Whereas Kasumi as more options and is a tad safer in this aspect, Kasumi has to work a bit harder for damage but it certainly isnt on the lower end. I would put them both in the A-tier but thats just my opinion

 

[KasumiLover]

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I briefly discuss why I think each character is where they are on my twitch: twitch.tv/blackburrychaos
Sorry if I didn't touch of every point as each character could be debated and discuss for a long time.

Uh... Since when is Kasumi lower than Marie Rose? XD and since when is Phase 4 higher than Kasumi? Kasumi imo should be A tier below Ayane, and Phase should be a high D. Marie Rose should be a mid to upper C, and Brad, Bass, Nyo, Alpha, Eliot, and Ryu should be lower imo. Rachel should also be lower, she's not better than Kasumi is, and Sarah could be a few notches higher. Naotora.... Uh yeah she's where she needs to xD Mai could be somewhat higher imo as well

 

[Blackburry]

Phase 4 barely has strings and 90% of her moves are unsafe. Which already makes her a high risk character, she has to commit on every occassion to open up the opponent. Whereas Kasumi as more options and is a tad safer in this aspect, Kasumi has to work a bit harder for damage but it certainly isnt on the lower end. I would put them both in the A-tier but thats just my opinion

Watch my archive for my explanation. Phase 4 and Kasumi aren't anywhere near each other. Phase is vastly superior.

 

[Blackburry]

Uh... Since when is Kasumi lower than Marie Rose? XD and since when is Phase 4 higher than Kasumi? Kasumi imo should be A tier below Ayane, and Phase should be a high D. Marie Rose should be a mid to upper C, and Brad, Bass, Nyo, Alpha, Eliot, and Ryu should be lower imo. Rachel should also be lower, she's not better than Kasumi is, and Sarah could be a few notches higher. Naotora.... Uh yeah she's where she needs to xD Mai could be somewhat higher imo as well

Phase 4 isn't anywhere lower than S. I don't understand how anyone that's watched the competitive scene for the past 2 years can't see that. You guys look at characters on paper too much. Kasumi isn't that great. This is nothing new. Her best version was vanilla.

 

[KasumiLover]

Phase 4 isn't anywhere lower than S. I don't understand how anyone that's watched the competitive scene for the past 2 years can't see that. You guys look at characters on paper too much. Kasumi isn't that great. This is nothing new. Her best version was vanilla.

I disagree tbh. Phase 4 isn't the WORST character but she's not good. She has Kasumi's neutral frames but her 12i kick which is a frame slower somewhat hurts her. She lacks the parries Kasumi does, and she has awful mix ups and is not nearly as versatile. The players who play her however are able to use her to hee full potential which is why she's won tourneys, but it's difficult to do. Kasumi is far better but far more risky to use and has to work harder for her damage unlike Phase 4 who hits like a truck once she gets her long juggles going. While Phase is worse than Kasumi, at high level, Phase 4's damage output coupled with her scary stun game overall just seems more worth it which is why I think Phase is seen more at these competitive scenes.

I think the highest Phase 4 could be is perhaps mid or low C if you want to be nice. I also don't truly see how Rachel and Marie Rose are above Kasumi either, that doesn't make sense imo

 

[Blackburry]

All I have to say is there is a reason Kwiggle uses Phase 4 so much. You can have your opinion I guess though.

 

[Bacaww]

Watch my archive for my explanation. Phase 4 and Kasumi aren't anywhere near each other. Phase is vastly superior.

From a tournament perspective I guess you're right, I see way more Phase 4's dominating the scene (mainly Kwiggles) than Kasumis. Phase 4 definitely has the better mix ups and damage but Kasumi shouldnt be underestimated earlier.

I disagree tbh. Phase 4 isn't the WORST character but she's not good. She has Kasumi's neutral frames but her 12i kick which is a frame slower somewhat hurts her. She lacks the parries Kasumi does, and she has awful mix ups and is not nearly as versatile. The players who play her however are able to use her to hee full potential which is why she's won tourneys, but it's difficult to do. Kasumi is far better but far more risky to use and has to work harder for her damage unlike Phase 4 who hits like a truck once she gets her long juggles going. While Phase is worse than Kasumi, at high level, Phase 4's damage output coupled with her scary stun game overall just seems more worth it which is why I think Phase is seen more at these competitive scenes.

I think the highest Phase 4 could be is perhaps mid or low C if you want to be nice. I also don't truly see how Rachel and Marie Rose are above Kasumi either, that doesn't make sense imo

"Phase 4 has awful mix-ups" oh boy here we go again. Also Rachel, Marie and Kasumi are placed in the same tier, there is no from best to worst sequence within the tiers lmao that would be pointless

 

[NightAntilli]

Didn't look at your reasons (yet), since I'm at work. But for now, this is what I think;

Phase 4 heavily overrated
Leifang slightly overrated
Ayane slightly underrated
Hayate slightly overrated
Kasumi slightly underrated
Alpha-152 slightly underrated
Jann Lee slightly overrated
Bass slightly underrated
Honoka slightly underrated


Slightly over/underrated: should be one tier higher/lower
Heavily over/underrated: Should be two or more tiers higher/lower.

 

[KasumiLover]

From a tournament perspective I guess you're right, I see way more Phase 4's dominating the scene (mainly Kwiggles) than Kasumis. Phase 4 definitely has the better mix ups and damage but Kasumi shouldnt be underestimated earlier.


"Phase 4 has awful mix-ups" oh boy here we go again. Also Rachel, Marie and Kasumi are placed in the same tier, there is no from best to worst sequence within the tiers lmao that would be pointless

I'm not arguing again. By mix ups I mean in string ones. Kasumi is better since from like 5K she has 3 different options while Phase only has one besides free cancelling. And Kasumi isn't in the same tier as Rachel or Marie, Kasumi is A tier at the highest, Rachel is low B to mid C at the highest and Marie is mid to low B at the highest or high C at the lowest

If by mix ups you mean your take on the term then Phase is better since her stun game is scarier but string wise Kasumi is better

 

[Bacaww]

I'm not arguing again. By mix ups I mean in string ones. Kasumi is better since from like 5K she has 3 different options while Phase only has one besides free cancelling. And Kasumi isn't in the same tier as Rachel or Marie, Kasumi is A tier at the highest, Rachel is low B to mid C at the highest and Marie is mid to low B at the highest or high C at the lowest

If by mix ups you mean your take on the term then Phase is better since her stun game is scarier but string wise Kasumi is better

I am referring to Blackberry's list, not the "official" tier list or whichever tier list u're looking at. Rachel, Kasumi and Marie are all in the same tier there.

 

[KasumiLover]

I am referring to Blackberry's list, not the "official" tier list or whichever tier list u're looking at. Rachel, Kasumi and Marie are all in the same tier there.

....Im not speaking on the ""official"" tier list or whichever list you're referring to, I'm saying that their placement on BB's list is wrong tho and I'm saying where they should be placed, taking their pros as well as their cons into account as well

 

[delSai]

Surprised to see Momiji so low, i had the feeling she was a strong character, shows how much i know i guess lol