Official Dead or Alive Xtreme Thread
- Thread starter Rikuto
- Start date
If it weren't canon, they wouldn't have foreshadowed DOAX2 in Kasumi's ending for DOA4 (to say little about Zack's ending in the same game or for that matter Lisa and Niki being introduced in Xtreme Beach Volleyball). And Itagaki even created that ending SPECIFICALLY to fix what he deemed to be a tragic mistake regarding DOA3's ending where he pretty much doomed her to be killed by her own clan, which means he intended THAT ending at least to be canon. Don't take it from me, read it from the man himself:
And let me remind you of which DOAX2 thing they foreshadowed in that ending:
That's right, the Moonlight Reef Suite from that game:
To be honest, the only one coming across as delusional is you, if I must be blunt. Heck, I don't even like Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 due to it being a poor excuse for an Xtreme game via gutting far too many stuff out, and making some characters like Ayane completely out of character, yet even I have to cite it as being canon DESPITE my personal hatred of that game. So my listing them as canon has absolutely nothing to do with whether I personally like the games or not. I actually prefer Ghost Babel's characterization of Solid Snake over the one in Metal Gear Solid 1-4, yet I STILL consider it non-canon despite that due to it contradicting lore ultimately.
Last edited:
I have to laugh. Her waking up in a room doesn’t automatically mean that a series is canon. There has never been an official statement that the DOAX series is canon, until then I don’t wanna hear about it.
Also if you hate DOAX3 so much, why do you only contribute to DOAX thread that’s all about DOAX3/VV? This canon argument has been the most interesting thing that has happened to this thread in a while lmao.
Also if you hate DOAX3 so much, why do you only contribute to DOAX thread that’s all about DOAX3/VV? This canon argument has been the most interesting thing that has happened to this thread in a while lmao.
In case you haven't noticed my past posts, I actually hold DOAXVV in very high favor in SPITE of it being a gacha game, and if anything view it as an improvement over DOAX3. So that's the main reason I contribute to this thread. And despite my hatred of DOAX3, I also at the same time genuinely hoped that they'd release those DLC they promised to give far more life to the game (to say little about actually fixing their mistake regarding the cut girls), but so far, the only time they released any DLC at all besides swimwear was Misaki and Leifang's DLC for the Fortune version, and that's only because of Scarlet, and we certainly didn't get any activity DLC despite being promised that.
And as far as official statements, I think there was a press release confirming that Zack's ending in DOA4 was meant to foreshadow DOAX2, for what it's worth, so that definitely points to an official statement there.
Also, when that room was used in DOAX2, and said game was made AFTER that ending, it's pretty clear it's pointing to it being canon. That certainly would have been my intention if I were the developers and intended for it to be canon. They would have used a completely different room between the two games if they wanted to point to it being non-canon. You know, similar to how both Ghost Babel and Metal Gear Solid have Solid Snake meeting Mei Ling in two differing occasions, and the former, taking place before the latter, wasn't acknowledged at all.
No official statement, is no confirmation, periodt.
By that logic, we might as well write out any and all of the DOA games as non-canon since no official statement exists for that either. Same goes for Dimensions.
And as I pointed out (albeit in an edit), I think there was a press release by TN confirming that DOA4's Zack Ending was meant to foreshadow DOAX2, which IS an official statement.
Last edited:
Ninoasker
Well-Known Member
wasn’t it already said on this thread that the DOAX games were nothing but zack’s dreams? lol
if that’s the case, zack’s island and kasumi’s ending CAN be canon, but everything else that happens in the doax games itself can easily be nothing but zack’s delusional dreams (making everything else not canon, just like how honoka and marie were never friends till 6)
if that’s the case, zack’s island and kasumi’s ending CAN be canon, but everything else that happens in the doax games itself can easily be nothing but zack’s delusional dreams (making everything else not canon, just like how honoka and marie were never friends till 6)
Actually, at the very least DOAXBV was canon, since Zack had to treasure hunt in order to restore his island, which was shown in DOA4 (and the destruction of said island occurred in DOAXBV). Also, Kokoro explicitly references her running away from home for DOAX2 when conversing with Fiona.
Also, it wasn't this thread, it was in the DOA6 improvement thread.
An “I think” is not really reliable. Proof or it didn’t happen.
I know I saw the source on one of the GameFAQs threads around the time DOAX2 was announced. However, knowing how GameFAQs deletes threads by a certain point, I can't say you'll find it there.
And either way, I'd suggest you give proof that they gave official statements saying, in exact words, "DOA/DOA2/DOA3/DOA4/DOAD/DOA5/DOA6 are canon" if we're to play that game.
They refer to DOAX as a spin-off series, meaning that isn’t canon. Also I need to prove that the main game (Being DOA1-6) are canon? Is this a joke?
Spinoff =/= non-canon (not necessarily, anyways). I can actually name a few spin-offs of various franchises that actually ARE canonical. Like for example, Resident Evil: Code Veronica was marketed as a spinoff for the franchise, and that played a pretty key role in the plot of the overall games due to Wesker coming back from the dead and what not (of course, that being said, Code Veronica was actually intended to be a main series game, but the Capcom executives insisted on making Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, the intended spinoff, into a main series game, and guess what, Nemesis proved to be canon as well), as well as the Revelations and Chronicles games (heck, the Survivor games as well). Same goes for Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, which was directly referenced in Metal Gear Solid 4 and even the likes of Peace Walker (Miller specifically mentions San Hieronymo Peninsula in the latter game at the beginning). Heck, technically, Peace Walker ITSELF is a spinoff (certainly not one of the numbered main games, though Kojima considered it one in spirit before MGSV came out), yet that proved to be canon. And that's just going by games. Also, the Mega Man Xtreme games, which are explicitly canon despite being spinoffs due to Mega Man X6 explicitly referencing the events of Xtreme 2. Same goes for Pokemon Ranger, a spinoff, yet at the very least the first game was canon to the main series thanks largely to the whole Manaphy side-mission thing and it being directly connected to Diamond and Pearl's plotline. If we go by other mediums, the NCIS spinoffs are given crossover episodes with their parent episodes (and in fact, many of the actual premieres were in their parent series as backdoor pilots via crossover episodes), and Pokémon Chronicles and the various Hoso specials are explicitly canon to the main Pokémon anime.
Not to mention, being a main game =/= canon as well (again, not necessarily). Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake were main games, yet thanks to a lot of retcons made by Kojima, to say little about a marketing timeline released during Peace Walker's development, they barely came across as even slightly canon, basically being non-canon in all but name. And there are even people who claim that Mega Man X7 and X8 aren't canon despite technically being main games due to Keiji Inafune not being involved in their production under any capacity (that, and Axl not being referenced in any of the later games barring MAYBE the reference to a destroyed space elevator forming Neo Arcadia's primary base). And that's not even counting explicit remakes to past games that decanonized them such as Star Fox 64 to Star Fox, or even REmake/REmaster to Resident Evil (possibly even Resident Evil 2's remake to Resident Evil).
So if you're going to claim DOAX is non-canon, you're going to need a LOT more than just claiming it's a spin-off to prove it isn't canon, because I just gave you plenty of examples of spin-offs in various other mediums that actually are canon, not to mention main entries that AREN'T canon.
Last edited:
DOAX isn’t canon and never was, shut up about it. It’s getting rather annoying at this point, DOAX was never canon to begin with. Periodt. And please don’t quote me because imma put you on ignore, because this argument isn’t cute, fresh and/or funny anymore. It’s getting tired like that old hag Lisa.
Like I said, if it weren't canon, DOA4 would have zero reason to add in Lisa to the roster, not to mention it wouldn't have done the endings for Kasumi and Zack in that game as we know them. So no, it's still very much canon.
And fine, go right on ahead and put me on your ignore list. It only proves you're unwilling to do debate, anyway, which harms you in the long run. Especially when you never even bothered to address specific examples of spinoffs that were proven to be canon, not to mention main games that were confirmed non-canon. I get irritated with a lot of people when they refuse to see logical arguments I've made, yet I don't place them on my ignore list precisely because I actually value debate.
You dislike the DOAX series enough to call it non-canon despite evidence showing it to be canon, I suggest you stay away from this thread.
And fine, go right on ahead and put me on your ignore list. It only proves you're unwilling to do debate, anyway, which harms you in the long run. Especially when you never even bothered to address specific examples of spinoffs that were proven to be canon, not to mention main games that were confirmed non-canon. I get irritated with a lot of people when they refuse to see logical arguments I've made, yet I don't place them on my ignore list precisely because I actually value debate.
You dislike the DOAX series enough to call it non-canon despite evidence showing it to be canon, I suggest you stay away from this thread.
Last edited:
I wanted to put you on the ignore list because you keep going on. This isn’t even a debate anymore this is just going back and forth. I don’t get how it “harms” me in the long run when quite frankly I don’t give one single flying fuck about what you or anybody else thinks of me. I actually like the DOAX series but to me this series isn’t canon at all because it is a spinoff. Also, this thread shouldn’t even be present on this forum because this is supposed to be a competitive forum, not a casual forum.
Anyway, like I said. This going back and forth is getting tired. All has been said already and nothing new or official has been shown, so let it die.
Anyway, like I said. This going back and forth is getting tired. All has been said already and nothing new or official has been shown, so let it die.
I already told you that being a spin-off doesn't make something automatically non-canon, and even gave you quite a few examples of canonical spinoffs in various series. Unless you can give me evidence indicating the DOAX series is non-canon that DOESN'T involve the DOAX series being a spinoff in any way, then you might make some inroads, but until then, don't bother with that argument.
Also, the DOAX series is still a part of the DOA series, canon or otherwise, and more importantly they are GAMES in that series, so they are still applicable for this forum. Besides, last I checked, beach volleyball, beach flags, butt battles, and tug-o-war are competitive stuff in those games, since you're COMPETING against the other girls (heck, same with the poker games, even).
Either way, I agree we need to stop with the canon debate, since it's going nowhere.
Also, the DOAX series is still a part of the DOA series, canon or otherwise, and more importantly they are GAMES in that series, so they are still applicable for this forum. Besides, last I checked, beach volleyball, beach flags, butt battles, and tug-o-war are competitive stuff in those games, since you're COMPETING against the other girls (heck, same with the poker games, even).
Either way, I agree we need to stop with the canon debate, since it's going nowhere.
hardseppo
Well-Known Member
Fiona (Zombie) Gravure Panel (Appetizer Pinchos SSR) with lotions
www.nicovideo.jp
DoAX Venus Vacation :: Fiona (Zombie) Gravure Panel (Appetizer Pinchos SSR) with lotions
DoAX Venus Vacation :: Fiona (Zombie) Gravure Panel (Appetizer Pinchos SSR) with lotions [R-18] Feel free to browse my channel with lots more sexy Dead or Alive Xtreme videos!
www.nicovideo.jp
Okay, spent the past hour transcribing all of Luna's win quotes as well as her point loss quotes. They are the following:
Point win quotes
*Leave it to me. Boing. (depicted as her preparing to do her trademark double-v pose)
*Of course. (Luna doing a mixture of a thumbs up and flexing her bicep)
*Yay. (her walking up and then raising both her fists in a celebratory pose)
*That doesn’ t work. (Putting her two index fingers into an x-shape in front of her, partly obscuring her mouth. And yes, there's actually a space between the apostrophe and the t in the subtitles.).
Match win quotes
*Victory. (struts along, then turns as she gives the peace sign.).
*Hehe. Too easy. (Bends down before, similar to her Of Course gesture, moving her arms to the side in a hands-together pose).
*I’ve got you covered. Woohoo. (Gives a thumbs up)
*Boing, boing, boooing. (puts her hands in rabbit ears and proceeds to hop on one foot before turning to the side)
Point loss quotes
*How embarrassing. (places her hands in front of her face)
*Hmm…Why did this happen… (gives a pondering pose)
*That’s how it goes… There’s always next time… (kneels down to scribble something in the sand, then gives a determined nod)
*Don’t worry about it. (zooms in on the top of her head as she's putting her hands in a rabbit pose, before having her top half sway to the side).
*There’s always next time. (walks forward, then gives a slight bow).
Match loss quotes for Luna will have to wait until after this event concludes.
Point win quotes
*Leave it to me. Boing. (depicted as her preparing to do her trademark double-v pose)
*Of course. (Luna doing a mixture of a thumbs up and flexing her bicep)
*Yay. (her walking up and then raising both her fists in a celebratory pose)
*That doesn’ t work. (Putting her two index fingers into an x-shape in front of her, partly obscuring her mouth. And yes, there's actually a space between the apostrophe and the t in the subtitles.).
Match win quotes
*Victory. (struts along, then turns as she gives the peace sign.).
*Hehe. Too easy. (Bends down before, similar to her Of Course gesture, moving her arms to the side in a hands-together pose).
*I’ve got you covered. Woohoo. (Gives a thumbs up)
*Boing, boing, boooing. (puts her hands in rabbit ears and proceeds to hop on one foot before turning to the side)
Point loss quotes
*How embarrassing. (places her hands in front of her face)
*Hmm…Why did this happen… (gives a pondering pose)
*That’s how it goes… There’s always next time… (kneels down to scribble something in the sand, then gives a determined nod)
*Don’t worry about it. (zooms in on the top of her head as she's putting her hands in a rabbit pose, before having her top half sway to the side).
*There’s always next time. (walks forward, then gives a slight bow).
Match loss quotes for Luna will have to wait until after this event concludes.
Juihau
Well-Known Member
Just gonna say real quick, Chronicles wasn't technically a spin-off. In Japan, they were side stories that occasionally aired instead of reruns. Compiling them and branding it as a spin-off series was entirely a decision made by 4Kids when dubbing the anime.