The Online Pass topic

CyberEvil

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There are an awful lot of questions flying around about DoA5 potentially having an online pass and more than a little misinformation. So this is going to be meant as a topic to set things straight.

Some facts:
  • The industry has been moving to an online pass standard for some years now since EA debuted "Project Ten Dollar"
  • Ninja Gaiden 3 had an online pass
  • Online passes are NOT required unless you buy second-hand
Given what we saw with Ninja Gaiden 3, it is highly likely that Team NINJA/TK will opt for an online pass for online play. This will lock out competitive multiplayer, including the online training, but will not affect any other features most likely. Upon purchasing your new copy of DoA5, you will simply need to enter in the Xbox Marketplace/PSN Store code found on an insert and you'll never have to worry about it again. If you buy a used copy, you will have to go on to your respective platform's store, shell out ten bucks, and feel a bit better about the fact that TN/TK saw none of the money from your copy, but will at least get a little something for online play.

For those worried about online passes "not working" or whatever, don't. First, I buy an extremely unhealthy amount of games, most with online multiplayer, and have never had an issue, including with the Ninja Gaiden 3 pass. Second, if you buy a brand new copy and your code does not work for whatever reason, you'll have a receipt and can simply contact customer support. Very little trouble to get that particular problem rectified. For what it's worth, I have never spoken to anyone with a non-working online pass that WASN'T trying to game the system. This is obviously only my personal experience, but it's a pretty solid system that works for PSN cards, MS Point cards, DLC cards from brick and mortar stores, and pre-order bonuses.

To hopefully close this out to all but a little discussion, what I'm saying is that you should not be worried. If you're on this site, you're likely a fan and will be buying a new copy day one as it is. If money is tight and you have to wait, new copies are generally only another $5USD over the used prices at most outlets that sell used games. Used game prices also generally take into account the need for buying an online pass as well. But you're a fan and won't buy used anyway, right? ;)

Feel free to discuss the whole situation here, but I wanted to get this out there so people stopped monopolizing our Status updates section (aka the 'Other Chatroom').

EDIT: Just to add to the above, if you use multiple gamertags to play online, you're going to need to buy an online pass for your second profile. Why you'd want to do this is beyond me, but them's the breaks of feeling the need to play on multiple accounts.
 

WiZzYx

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Potentially? Not. DoA 5 HAS Online Pass. Doesn't matter for me. It's like EA games...
 

CyberEvil

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Your friend doesn't have a retail copy. Trust me.

In any case, there has been no press release, site update, or update of any kind confirming it, so for now we are discussing the possibility and what online passes entail generally. That'll have to do for now.
 

qoodname

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I dont know why people make such a fuss about the online pass. I mean im not a fan of it either but it doesnt concern us since were all getting the game at launch...Btw on PSN you can play online on every account after you downloaded the pass. Thats atleast how it works with Fifa for example.
 

synce

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I dont know why people make such a fuss about the online pass. I mean im not a fan of it either but it doesnt concern us since were all getting the game at launch...Btw on PSN you can play online on every account after you downloaded the pass. Thats atleast how it works with Fifa for example.

There are a couple major problems with online passes, even for people who buy new.

- There will be less people playing online
- You're limited to playing on one account

Companies that do this are really just shooting themselves in the foot. I can list several games I didn't buy because of online passes or too much DLC. The only exception will be DOA5 since I grew up with the series.
 

CyberEvil

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If Battlefield is anything to go by, online passes do not limit the amount of players. I don't play sports games so I can't comment on that. As for the one account thing, I'm still not sure why you'd play a game with multiple accounts unless it was for trolling purposes. Do people take Rank that seriously that they can't mess around on their main account? Plus with the online training and normal player match options it should be a non-issue in this game.
 

DR2K

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There are a couple major problems with online passes, even for people who buy new.

- There will be less people playing online
- You're limited to playing on one account

Companies that do this are really just shooting themselves in the foot. I can list several games I didn't buy because of online passes or too much DLC. The only exception will be DOA5 since I grew up with the series.

-Not really a signifigant amount since people will primarily buy it for multiplayer.
-On PS3 it works on all accounts active on it the HDD. Don't know about Xbox.
 

Gill Hustle

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Anyone NOT buying new, probably doesn't know this site exists.

Not to take away anything from the topic, just saying if they're "unsure" about paying full price for DOA then dems the breaks.
 

CyberEvil

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I believe it works the same for Xbox as long as there is Xbox Live connectivity, the original purchasing account is on the HDD, and it was purchased on the same Xbox and HDD. That's how XBLA games and DLC work, anyway.

Anyone NOT buying new, probably doesn't know this site exists.

Not to take away anything from the topic, just saying if they're "unsure" about paying full price for DOA then dems the breaks.

I did mention that in my original post, sir. LOL.
 

Allan Paris

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Well my multiple account trolling days are numbered if this happens. How the hell am I suppose to amuse myself now when people run from me because of severe beatings!? Or the players that win once and then leave because they're apparently way better than me. I'd have to pay $10 just to get my lick back!

Overall I'll deal with this online pass if TN enforces them. For sports games, I refuse to deal with them. Fuck Madden, unless it's a good game now.
 

matsu

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Online pass are BS.Nothing less nothing more.And if the netcode is bad, over the top BS.Ihate this new gen (dlc,drm,online pass,disc locked content)what a joke.Just like dlc it s a good way to milk customers.They have great ideas to take money from your wallet,really impressive..won t change a thing for me because i ll buy it day one but still.Ijust bought RE5 twenty euros and i d i d be pissed to spend ten more euros...We just let them do whatever they want ,so i am not surprised anymore,i really fear the next gen.Have you seen the futurama episode where fry has ads in his dream for lightspeed undewears?We re damn close.......... REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!yeah yeah tomorrow i need to sleep for now
 

DR2K

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Online pass are BS.Nothing less nothing more.And if the netcode is bad, over the top BS.Ihate this new gen (dlc,drm,online pass,disc locked content)what a joke.Just like dlc it s a good way to milk customers.They have great ideas to take money from your wallet,really impressive..won t change a thing for me because i ll buy it day one but still.Ijust bought RE5 twenty euros and i d i d be pissed to spend ten more euros...We just let them do whatever they want ,so i am not surprised anymore,i really fear the next gen.Have you seen the futurama episode where fry has ads in his dream for lightspeed undewears?We re damn close.......... REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!yeah yeah tomorrow i need to sleep for now

In their eyes you aren't a customer if you buy the game used. Which is 100% correct. How is a developer trying to recoup some cost BS? It's not at the expense of people giving them money aka the customer.
 

LostSkeleton73

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I don't see the issue either.
Considering the sales generated from used games, they should be able to get something from that too.
What's next on the bitch-o-meter? Oh no, I bought the 360 version, but I can't play it on the PS3!

Smile and nod.
 

CyberEvil

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The biggest issue is the sense of entitlement people have now. Completely different from even five years ago and more than a little ridiculous. Software companies have been locking out portions of software for well over a decade. Maybe even more than two decades. They've always hidden things behind licenses and product keys. I find it amusing that an industry that has never really done this is suddenly under fire the last few years for doing a comparatively mild form of that old practice to recoup some costs due to the used games market leeching potential sales.
 

Dravidian

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The biggest issue is the sense of entitlement people have now. Completely different from even five years ago and more than a little ridiculous. Software companies have been locking out portions of software for well over a decade. Maybe even more than two decades. They've always hidden things behind licenses and product keys. I find it amusing that an industry that has never really done this is suddenly under fire the last few years for doing a comparatively mild form of that old practice to recoup some costs due to the used games market leeching potential sales.
I have mixed feeling about online practices, so I won't comment on the that specifically, but recouping cost wouldnt be as necessary if projects were managed better. Companies are spending waaaayyy too much money, and sometimes time, making games. If you need to sell 1,000,000+ copies just to break even and you dont take into account used game sales (or the game just not being as popular as you think), you didnt plan your project or manage your resources very well. Having high expectations doesnt mean much if you dont actually meet them imo. There are exceptions though.....very few.
 
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