Tomonobu Itagaki On Dead or Alive 5: “My Daughter Was Totally Ruined”

[Argentus]

So you prefer bright, happy, and silly, right? I would take it then that you like street fighter's story mode for similar reasons?

not at all, no. I hate SF's visuals, with a few exceptions. Far too goofy.

I like vibrant, lively, and beautiful.

Hence why I love Final Fantasy XIII's aesthetic, as well as the Sonic Storybook series. And El Shaddai. And the Naruto Storm series. And Jojo All Star Battle (this one, arguable, only really a few ultimates). And GG Xrd. And One Piece Unlimited Adventure. And Asura's Wrath. And Dead Or Alive 3, 2U, and 4. And so on.

I love beautiful ART.

 

[Kohlrak]

Understandable. You like bright and happy, but not silly. As awesome as that is, the market and gamers at large are moving away from that. I'm personally a big fan of dark, clean, with neon colors. I find night missions in flight sims rather soothing. Unfortunately, those color schemes are usually used sparsely, poorly, or not at all. The good news is, eventually people will get sick of dark and dirty, and will come to like technecolor again. You just gotta keep the games you like alive long enough to see it's return.

 

[JETMICHAEL]

I love him but...

you know..

he's an idiot - a lovable idiot.

OMFG! ROTF! LMFAO!!! I LOVE YOU REV! AMITUOFO!!! <3 __/l\__

 

[Dr Drake]

Btw DOA5 is too dark in generell.
To make a game serious, it dont has to be dark it has to be serious.
Colors are good, look for exsample at Killer Instinct it is a cool game and has alot of colors. You dont have to like KI but this game is a great exsample for Colorful cool games and "good looking chicks" that are not oversexed.
And when i look at Kyoto in DoA4 and Kyoto in DoA5 i like the Kyoto alot more in in DoA4.

But i agree in terms of the over Sexuality in this game. Some things are too much. I know alot of people who get pissed of when they play Online and they have to fight all the bikini warriors.
They should made a DoAX3 for these people imo.

P.S. sorry for my English i dont write or speak it very often.

 

[Kohlrak]

Btw DOA5 is too dark in generell.
To make a game serious, it dont has to be dark it has to be serious.
Colors are good, look for exsample at Killer Instinct it is a cool game and has alot of colors. You dont have to like KI but this game is a great exsample for Colorful cool games and "good looking chicks" that are not oversexed.
And when i look at Kyoto in DoA4 and Kyoto in DoA5 i like the Kyoto alot more in in DoA4.

I agree, but the darkness isn't for seriousness. It's because people today equate darker with better graphics, which is why CoD has really bad textures (they've actually gotten noticeable worse when compared side by side with a lighting filter), but they've been getting better graphics ratings.

But i agree in terms of the over Sexuality in this game. Some things are too much. I know alot of people who get pissed of when they play Online and they have to fight all the bikini warriors.
They should made a DoAX3 for these people imo.

P.S. sorry for my English i dont write or speak it very often.

It's a strategy. I know if i'm going to fight nightpup i'm going to pick Ein and i'm going to go shirtless. Now i know that if i see your name, i'm going to pick bikinis until i find one that's bothering you the most. People are picking them to mess with you, not to get their own jollys off. Their own pleasure only happens offline, because enjoying yourself online is not culturally acceptable.

 

[GreatDarkHero]

It seems like the "daughter" is doing well, with all things concerned...

 

[Kohlrak]

considered, rather than concerned. It's doing well despite of the issues, rather than having none.

 

[Kasumi]

It seems like the "daughter" is doing well, with all things concerned...

Define "well" please.

 

[GreatDarkHero]

Define "well" please.

...Sure.

Well = A term that relates to how good something is or a positive status. Basically describing something/someone that is functioning decently or proficiently.

Spoiler

in a way that is satisfactory
The boys were not behaving very well.
pretty well (=fairly well):
I can see pretty well without my glasses.
Synonyms and related words for this sense of well
Well and very well: well, ably, great, to perfection, fantastically, fabulously, superlatively, to the best of your ability, like a dream, good...

There are several definitions of the term as well. The definition described above is the one I used for making my previous statement obviously.
... To provide one example of another variant:

Spoiler

A deep hole or shaft sunk into the earth to obtain water, oil, gas, or brine.

Here are the appropriate reference(s):
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/well
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/well

 

[JETMICHAEL]

...Sure.

Well = A term that relates to how good something is or a positive status. Basically describing something/someone that is functioning decently or proficiently.

Spoiler

in a way that is satisfactory
The boys were not behaving very well.
pretty well (=fairly well):
I can see pretty well without my glasses.
Synonyms and related words for this sense of well
Well and very well: well, ably, great, to perfection, fantastically, fabulously, superlatively, to the best of your ability, like a dream, good...

There are several definitions of the term as well. The definition described above is the one I used for making my previous statement obviously.
... To provide one example of another variant:

Spoiler

A deep hole or shaft sunk into the earth to obtain water, oil, gas, or brine.

Here are the appropriate reference(s):
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/well
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/well

OMFG! ROTF! LMFAO!!! YOOS GUYZ R A FURRREAKIN' RIOT!!! I LOVE IT! AMITUOFO!!! <3 __/l\__

 

[MeadowSpirit]

OMFG! ROTF! LMFAO!!! YOOS GUYZ R A FURRREAKIN' RIOT!!! I LOVE IT! AMITUOFO!!! <3 __/l\__

Try the decaf, buddy.

 

[Dr Drake]

I agree, but the darkness isn't for seriousness. It's because people today equate darker with better graphics, which is why CoD has really bad textures (they've actually gotten noticeable worse when compared side by side with a lighting filter), but they've been getting better graphics ratings.



It's a strategy. I know if i'm going to fight nightpup i'm going to pick Ein and i'm going to go shirtless. Now i know that if i see your name, i'm going to pick bikinis until i find one that's bothering you the most. People are picking them to mess with you, not to get their own jollys off. Their own pleasure only happens offline, because enjoying yourself online is not culturally acceptable.

I have nothing agasint Bikini or shirtless Fighters, as you can see is my Avatar a Tina picture with the Bikini thing. I dont care what outfit my enemy is wearing. I spoke there for my brother and a few others i know. And I know alot of people who dropped it because of that. I just think the Bikini stuff is just not healthy for the game in generell. Its fast money but its not good for long franchise. For the Bikini stuff they should make a DOAX.

 

[Kohlrak]

I have nothing agasint Bikini or shirtless Fighters, as you can see is my Avatar a Tina picture with the Bikini thing. I dont care what outfit my enemy is wearing. I spoke there for my brother and a few others i know. And I know alot of people who dropped it because of that. I just think the Bikini stuff is just not healthy for the game in generell. Its fast money but its not good for long franchise. For the Bikini stuff they should make a DOAX.

I think it's good in moderation. The excessive bikinis aren't helping much at all. I'm not a bikini connoisseur: i don't know one from the other.

 

[TRid]

It's interesting to notice how most of the points he made turned out to be valid ten years later, funnily enough.

 

[inochinagi]

Damn, I remember when I read this back at the time I thought he was being a little extreme and wrong about the results of DOA5, but funny enough it applies a lot more now to the current situation. Except I think he said all that before Marie and Honoka began DOA's split into providing a platform for moe/kawaii sexual girls (rather than just women like he said DOA was about) and "waifus" for the sake or profit over anything else. It'd be better if the series split clearly in two rather than divide the fanbase. If Venus Vacation is gonna continue on as its own series, they should release a new proper DOA fighting game soon too (and NG), and make Venus Vacation that "firewall" as Itagaki intended DOAX to be.

I mean, dude's crazy but he's not (always) wrong either.

 

[KasumiLover]

Damn, I remember when I read this back at the time I thought he was being a little extreme and wrong about the results of DOA5, but funny enough it applies a lot more now to the current situation. Except I think he said all that before Marie and Honoka began DOA's split into providing a platform for moe/kawaii sexual girls (rather than just women like he said DOA was about) and "waifus" for the sake or profit over anything else. It'd be better if the series split clearly in two rather than divide the fanbase. If Venus Vacation is gonna continue on as its own series, they should release a new proper DOA fighting game soon too (and NG), and make Venus Vacation that "firewall" as Itagaki intended DOAX to be.

I mean, dude's crazy but he's not (always) wrong either.

Kinda disagree, Itagaki had a different direction than what TN is doing now but I wouldn't say all the girls were "women", Kasumi, Kokoro, and Ayane were underage but they skated by since they gave them the typical busty and voluptuous figures like the older girls at the time, and he's not too innocent himself since the Xtreme series from his watch was equally sexual, especially with x2 with the exaggerated boob physics, some of the gravures that were quite sexual and even the pole dancing and such.

He was right about some things like keeping the xtreme series and swimsuits separated from the actual game itself, but he kinda opened that can of worms when he started including swimsuits in DOA1 and DOA2U. We likely wouldn't have had a Marie rose if he was still in charge but I don't think his direction for the game would have went much different minus the gacha and visual novel type stuff

 

[inochinagi]

I was actually expecting someone to reply to me with Kasumi, Ayane, and Kokoro not being "women" XD yeah even though they're canonically a few years shy of 18 they weren't designed to look as young as possible or in a moe/kawaii girl design. The number isn't what's important, especially not anymore, with how they label a character like Kanna as "1014", the design is what matters. I highly doubt that if Marie and Honoka debuted in the 90s like Kasumi and Ayane that they'd be labeled 18.

And while no one called him innocent, he explained how the Xtreme series was made to be more sexual than the main DOA series so that he didn't have to take the main series that far. But yeah, good point with how DOA2U had some DOAX outfits... tbf, DOA has always had swimsuits since DOA1 tho, but it just didn't go as far as including anything as far as Lisa's Venus until DOA5. Honestly, I've had no issue with that tho, I brought up the firewall idea because it's no longer the level of sexuality that needs to be firewalled from DOA's image but the "waifu simulator" image that's becoming more associated with it in recent years and isn't one of the things DOA was originally designed to cater to.

 

[KasumiLover]

I understand them not being designed that way but even still imo they were underage. Even in VV besides Kanna, Marie Rose, Koharu, and whoever, they're still reasonably design and at least(although kinda unsettlingly as far as Marie and Kanna) they are legal. Marie and Honoka even if they were made back then, it probably wouldn't have gotten backlash anyway since fighting games from the Japanese almost always have that one underage girl; SC has Talim who is 15 and quite sexualized with how revealing her transparent outfits tend to be, Amy was basically 9-12 during soul calibur 3, 4, and 6, and then Tira, Natsu, and Leixia were all 15-17 during their debuts but sexualized as well too. And Tekken and Street fighter have a few characters where the same thing is applied, but it's how the game carries itself and unfortunately, DOA with Itagaki kinds dug itself into a hole with the bikinis and sexual tones that make it more controversial than the others mentioned since sexual themes wasn't the focus in those other games for the most part, just the occasional fanservice and maybe customization that they introduced over time for everyone.

I really think X2 was what put the nail in the coffin tho, and Itagaki can't deny that either. Now TN is just doing what is successful as far as the Xtreme Venus side of the game and unfortunately the fighting aspect of DOA is taking a back seat because of how DOA6 performed

 

[deathofaninja]

Tomonobu Itagaki isn't going to like what wasn't his. That's just kind of the name of the game. Some think his games were indeed better than the rest made after his departure.

DOA5 was just too stacked. Especially after Ultimate's release. His older games can't compete with DOA5 mechanically, but there are still a few preferences I have with DOA2 and DOA3.