werewolfgold
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I dunno, dude. Rowdy. Goes crazy at the mere mention of his daughter. Gets into fights for dumb reasons. Pretty comparable...
The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^
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Seemed to be living a nice, happy-ish life. Develops a (from his perspective) genuine relationship with Rig. But his own pride/identity/ego out of the spotlight to use an alias identity (lol) instead. Seems to finally accept that Tina can make her own decisions are career choices (initial shock at Mayor, but then backs off).
That doesn't really sound like old Bass to me.
FatalxInnocence
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I personally don't think many of the characters have changed too much either. As much as most people find DOA5's story a mess, it was really the only game in the series to give us more than a 2 second cutscene to understand where the character is coming from. Unless you're a ninja of course, every game seems to have a big back story for them, namely Kasumi.... for obvious reasons.
But if you look at past DOA games, I think you'll notice not many have given us much in regards to non-ninja characters and story. Hitomi for instance, everybody thinks she's changed since DOA3- when in-fact I think it was just the lack of highlighting her in cutscenes. That's just my opinion of course. But I didn't see a change in her character from DOA3-5. All I saw was it explored her more outside of her mere desire to lure Ein back to her fathers dojo. She's still the same imo. It's just not focusing on that aspect of her anymore.
Same can be said for every character. The only character that pops into my head when talking about change is Ayane. She used to come off as pretty evil, not so much these days.
But if you look at past DOA games, I think you'll notice not many have given us much in regards to non-ninja characters and story. Hitomi for instance, everybody thinks she's changed since DOA3- when in-fact I think it was just the lack of highlighting her in cutscenes. That's just my opinion of course. But I didn't see a change in her character from DOA3-5. All I saw was it explored her more outside of her mere desire to lure Ein back to her fathers dojo. She's still the same imo. It's just not focusing on that aspect of her anymore.
Same can be said for every character. The only character that pops into my head when talking about change is Ayane. She used to come off as pretty evil, not so much these days.
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DOA has me attracted to it because of its gameplay and somewhat depth (greatly still needs to be explained).
MK has successfully proven that you don't always need main characters to still be relevant. (and sell millions) MK has sold more than DOA, VF, SC, and SSB combined. That says a lot about the franchise and its fanbase...
werewolfgold
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I think that last point is debatable, and the secret identity was just Bass fulfilling his role as always doing nonsensical, weird stuff for comedic effect.
The first point is probably just a given. I mean, I'm sure Bass has some manner of friends generally.
I just think DOA4 was the main culprit of messing with some things personality wise. Hitomi got more bubbly. Christie got more "seductive". Brad got more boorish. But, even this may not be "messing with" so much as an attempt to flesh them out more.
Hayabusa used to be all cryptic. He was very calm, and behaved almost otherwordly.
Now he's just angry and screams a lot.
Argentus
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Zack went from eccentric badass to total ass clown
Bayman went from arguably biggest badass assassin in the series to a basic grunt soldier.
Hitomi went from the tomboy of the series to leifangs bubbly sidekick
Lei fang went from arrogant warrior whose pride was wounded by being rescued, to being an expy of Amy Rose, as a crazy stalker with a crush
Jann Lee makes no sense, because we know he's lost plenty before because he never even made it to finals in DOA before 5, so why is his loss to rig such a big deal? Before he seemed to be in of for the fight itself, not just to win.
Lisa is all over the place as usual.
Brad Wong is somehow a standard lecherous drunk, even though he gave up drinking in his 3 ending, and not shown to drink in 4, instead being a sort of guide for Eliot.
So on and so forth. Only characters who showed good characterization were like Tina and Christie. The former became burnt out after hopping between careers and goals so much, while the latter went back to something closer to her doa3 characterization. Maybe Eliot as well.
How can people seriously try to say characters weren't changed for 5?!
Sort of like how people think Mila's a lesbian because she "accidentally" left her camera on in the locker room.
Number 13
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Are we forgetting that people can change as time passes? You can be a masochist one day that begs to be whipped then a sadist the next that accumulates pleasure from whipping others. I actually like this since it shows the characters aren't two dimensional and capable of character development, but I guess the issue was that some of these character changes were less then desirable for some people which comes down to personal perspective.
Argentus
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So yer saying its totally okay because the entire cast is just bipolar schizophrenics?
"Character development" is not the same as "character derailment".
FatalxInnocence
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No offense to people that like Zack, but he's always been a clown.
He still is an assassin, Helena's paying him... he's a hired gun, still is. Though now I think he's got more of a vendetta against Donovan, and maybe clonesumi. He now has Helena's help though, or you could look at it the other way around I guess. She now has his help.
Again I state, she's always been. She's just not chasing down Ein anymore... Which was pretty much the core of her presence in 3 & 4.
I'm about 90% sure she's always been that stalker with a crush. It's just, she was never a focal point for DOA and DOA5 is literally the first time she's been on screen for more than 10 seconds.
I can't really say anything about the other 2, cause you have a valid point there.
Pink Nitro
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I'm just naturally a sadist, so...
Hey you got a shocked/angry Selena gif in there?
Hey you got a shocked/angry Selena gif in there?
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Pink Nitro
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Uhh... uhh...
I was askin' for a gif of Selena shocked and clearly angry, if ya got one.
I was askin' for a gif of Selena shocked and clearly angry, if ya got one.
werewolfgold
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I said they haven't changed from 4 (or Dimensions) to 5. I said it's dumb to complain now when most changes, if they even exist, happened before this point.
- Zack has always been a clown and comic relief. You claiming that he wasn't before will not change that. 4 had him getting blown off the side of buildings. This game just has him actually doing things besides wanting money to go to Vegas. None of his personality traits have changed...like, at all. Don't be mad just because he doesn't win matches that often in this game.
- Bayman's personality hasn't changed even if his profession has. What makes him not a badass anymore? Do you think he still can't snipe people if he wanted to? We don't exactly know what his "mission" is. It probably was still hunting for traces of Donovan.
- As I said, Hitomi became like that in DOA4.
- Leifang already canonically proved herself. She now needed something else. Unless we're just going to repeat the past 4 games. Might as well be romantic feelings.
- Jann Lee's probably just upset at how badly he got trounced in this particular instance (or something). His personality can hardly be said to have changed, though.
- Lisa is as usual? I thought you were arguing that people have changed...?
- What are you talking about? Brad is clearly stumbling drunk in all of his encounters in 4. He even hits on Kokoro. And he gropes Ayane right in front of Hayate in Dimensions. This is pretty much who they wanted him to be for a while.
FatalxInnocence
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Btw, why is Selena Gomez a thing in here? not sure why I'm asking this now when she's been apart of the Gif-scene here for... quite awhile. Buuuuut I guess now I'm just curious where as before I didn't think twice about it.
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