Community Team NINJA Halloween Costume Contest

Crext

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All the rigged voting discussions for weeks really annoy me and as the winner of the last contest, they kinda insult me as well. Can you imagine, how I feel, or the other winners, when it's oh so obvious to all of you, that the voting was completely unfair?

I honestly think the designers should vote on our costumes. I think it'd feel better to receive recognition from the people who make the game and distribute it rather than the fanbase.

Oh, that is how it will be decided?

I didn't even notice, I actually thought too it would be the TN designers picking stuff up. I mean they do get the rights for whatever costume they pick up, so I thought by picking up the costumes with longevity in mind would perhaps out beat the local fan groups or what not. Not that I would complain on that, mind you.

I've been through some of those types of voting before, so I can understand if some view it as a little biased. One particular event comes to mind where one voted for the best technical app. The story behind it was that my mother asked me to vote for my father's friend's daughter's group per e-mail (apparently it was a school project, but with a minor price and recognition). The reason for me voting would be because "we know her". Imagine what situation that put me in. I'm an engineer, and I went to the site, and their product was obviously not the best one there. Actually it was something unoriginal not particular well done, but the biggest surprise was that the current "nr. 1" was really not that much better. Then I looked at some of the less popularize votes, and even if there was a lot of less serious contestant, this was where I found what I with some expertise figured to be the important and useful apps for the future. Now imagine how unpopular it might be of me to be tipped off about this, just to turn and vote on something else, where the vote might not even be anonymous. Even if it was the better project, and even if they obviously wouldn't win. What would you do in such a situation? All social intellectual property would of course point towards voting for my father's friend's daughter's group, because that way I personally would gain reputation score with my fellow peers, but I'd feel it'd not really be the right thing to do either in my view.

Now this on the other hand is something far more subjective as aesthetics. If a buddy asks for your vote, you got close to zero reason not to vote for it, especially if you are not that into DoA to begin with.

HOWEVER, statistically speaking those elements would in theory even out, because everyone will be voting for everything, and since everyone can only supply 1 costume and people can only vote a selected number of times from each IP. Thus those it would even out with the votes not going to someone's requested vote. If you buddy create something for Kasumi, then you can still vote for something for Mila and make a difference in that category.

Either way, if you win because of networking, in the design world that might now be horrible either. You kind of build a brand (yourself as an artist). Some people like the clothes because of the brand... Thus you win not only because you got a good enough design, but because people associate the clothing with that brand, thus like it enough to vote for it. I wouldn't consider that unfair at all. I can walk around with the clothing of someone I like and know from FSD, then that piece of costume would get higher emotional value for me, thus the value overall increases.
 
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Argentus

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Yaknow what? Fuck contest results. I'm gonna have a custom Sweetest Sting jacket made in real life for myself.

@Tyaren make that kilt for yourself lol
 

synce

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It's really sad to hear that you feel this way. :c

Tbh I ignore those sore losers, they're nothing but jealous fools. Everyone won fair and square the way I see it, including you. Your design was amazing, a lot of people loved it and that's how you got first place.

That's how everyone got the results they did, you can't help or change what the community likes.

However, I do feel that Facebook was a bad move and holding it on the site will be a lot easier. That way people can't vote more than once on the same costume with ease, and possibly this time they can find a way so that everyone truly can only vote 3 times max since that failed terribly last contest. But saying the whole contest was rigged? Haha ... no.


But it's not Team Ninja voting, it's the fans. And the competition might be different this time so people might have more of a chance.

However yeah, I honestly wouldn't repost either. Because by nature I'm a pessimist, so I think if you didn't win last time, there's a good chance you won't win this time either. Also I think the competition will be tougher this time cos it's not the first contest.

Though maybe some people were scared away by last contest, whether it be the competition or the voting system. Who knows. All I know is I'm entering again, last contest was fun. :D

Ah what I meant was if you repost a design it may get more votes than last time, but it's not any more likely to be put into the game as TN doesn't take votes into account for that.

Anyway you should definitely enter. Some of the stuff I saw in the last contest was way better than anything TN released as DLC, and it wasn't always the best drawn stuff. So at the very least you can inspire some fans
 

Argentus

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Ah what I meant was if you repost a design it may get more votes than last time, but it's not any more likely to be put into the game as TN doesn't take votes into account for that.

Anyway you should definitely enter. Some of the stuff I saw in the last contest was way better than anything TN released as DLC, and it wasn't always the best drawn stuff. So at the very least you can inspire some fans
I may resubmit with different art, as I feel like my final submission didn't shown off the details as much as I would have liked.
 

CommanderWiggles

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Oh, that is how it will be decided?

I didn't even notice, I actually thought too it would be the TN designers picking stuff up. I mean they do get the rights for whatever costume they pick up, so I thought by picking up the costumes with longevity in mind would perhaps out beat the local fan groups or what not. Not that I would complain on that, mind you.

I've been through some of those types of voting before, so I can understand if some view it as a little biased. One particular event comes to mind where one voted for the best technical app. The story behind it was that my mother asked me to vote for my father's friend's daughter's group per e-mail (apparently it was a school project, but with a minor price and recognition). The reason for me voting would be because "we know her". Imagine what situation that put me in. I'm an engineer, and I went to the site, and their product was obviously not the best one there. Actually it was something unoriginal not particular well done, but the biggest surprise was that the current "nr. 1" was really not that much better. Then I looked at some of the less popularize votes, and even if there was a lot of less serious contestant, this was where I found what I with some expertise figured to be the important and useful apps for the future. Now imagine how unpopular it might be of me to be tipped off about this, just to turn and vote on something else, where the vote might not even be anonymous. Even if it was the better project, and even if they obviously wouldn't win. What would you do in such a situation? All social intellectual property would of course point towards voting for my father's friend's daughter's group, because that way I personally would gain reputation score with my fellow peers, but I'd feel it'd not really be the right thing to do either in my view.

Now this on the other hand is something far more subjective as aesthetics. If a buddy asks for your vote, you got close to zero reason not to vote for it, especially if you are not that into DoA to begin with.

HOWEVER, statistically speaking those elements would in theory even out, because everyone will be voting for everything, and since everyone can only supply 1 costume and people can only vote a selected number of times from each IP. Thus those it would even out with the votes not going to someone's requested vote. If you buddy create something for Kasumi, then you can still vote for something for Mila and make a difference in that category.

Either way, if you win because of networking, in the design world that might now be horrible either. You kind of build a brand (yourself as an artist). Some people like the clothes because of the brand... Thus you win not only because you got a good enough design, but because people associate the clothing with that brand, thus like it enough to vote for it. I wouldn't consider that unfair at all. I can walk around with the clothing of someone I like and know from FSD, then that piece of costume would get higher emotional value for me, thus the value overall increases.

I did not claim that the results will be based on designer's input. I claimed that it SHOULD be. They didn't say anything regarding votes, so I assume fans are still voting.
 

Argentus

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Not worried about my sketches being proportional or looking good at the moment just concepting detail ideas. Tried adding a hat though I can't draw it, trying a loose tank top that just hangs off the breasts, and changed to loose pants, as well as rolling oant legs instead of them hanging loose over feet. Gonna do more sketches tomorrow when I'm not fried and shaky from being on a caffeine high.

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Squizzo

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Okay, I have to speak my mind now... :/
All the rigged voting discussions for weeks really annoy me and as the winner of the last contest, they kinda insult me as well. Can you imagine, how I feel, or the other winners, when it's oh so obvious to all of you, that the voting was completely unfair? Was it really? One obvious hack doesn't mean the whole thing was hacked. I want to believe, that I won fair and square, but you really ruined that for me. Team Ninja announcing a whole new contest, when the prizes of the last contest didn't even reach everybody and without any word of which costumes will make it to the game, saddens me too. Do they also think, the wrong designs won?
No contest is completely fair! Wherever you hold it, wherever voting is going on. There's always bias involved, popularity votes or some stupid, human mistakes occur.
Just wait how you feel (if you win), when after this contest everyone, who didn't win, will cry again, how rigged and unfair that voting was. Those sour losers are also something, that always occurs in every contest... :(
I'm really considering, if I will participate again...

I'm not saying the contest was rigged, but it was definitely a popularity contest. Well known members of the community were at an advantage from the word go, simply due to their popularity, compared to lesser known members with fewer fb/twitter followers and less influence in the community
.
I'm not picking on Brute but do you really think Bananakira would have got so many votes if it was submitted anonymously? Not picking on Axouel but do you think his Marie design would have got so many votes if he wasn't such a good artist and popular community member?

Also allowing voters to see how many votes each design has encourages people to repeatedly vote for those designs that got a lot of votes early on, so as not to feel like they wasted their vote on a design that stands no chance of winning.
If you ask me voting should be anonymous, the author should not be listed nor the amount of votes that each design has. This would be a much more fair system with less popularity voting.
 

T Reiner

Member
Not worried about my sketches being proportional or looking good at the moment just concepting detail ideas. Tried adding a hat though I can't draw it, trying a loose tank top that just hangs off the breasts, and changed to loose pants, as well as rolling oant legs instead of them hanging loose over feet. Gonna do more sketches tomorrow when I'm not fried and shaky from being on a caffeine high.

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I like the hat fits more the bancho style then the headband did. the faxt that one eye is covered up is also a cool idear. Makes her look like a total badass. I'm also not a Fan of the bandages underboob Design but its probably going to give you way more likes than a sports bra or tank top.
 

Kronin

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Okay, I have to speak my mind now... :/
All the rigged voting discussions for weeks really annoy me and as the winner of the last contest, they kinda insult me as well. Can you imagine, how I feel, or the other winners, when it's oh so obvious to all of you, that the voting was completely unfair? Was it really? One obvious hack doesn't mean the whole thing was hacked. I want to believe, that I won fair and square, but you really ruined that for me. Team Ninja announcing a whole new contest, when the prizes of the last contest didn't even reach everybody and without any word of which costumes will make it to the game, saddens me too. Do they also think, the wrong designs won?
No contest is completely fair! Wherever you hold it, wherever voting is going on. There's always bias involved, popularity votes or some stupid, human mistakes occur.
Just wait how you feel (if you win), when after this contest everyone, who didn't win, will cry again, how rigged and unfair that voting was. Those sour losers are also something, that always occurs in every contest... :(
I'm really considering, if I will participate again...

Tyaren I think that no one is saying that your design was hacked, said this is evident as a pool on facebook inevitably end to favourite the more popular people inside the network. I remember that even you implicitily admitted it saying if really you had to allow share of your design, knowing that in this way it would have reached inevitably a great number of likes (and in the end you rightly was convinced to do it seeing as also other partecipants were already doing it).

But this is perfectly ordinary and actually happens for all the entries (even for mine that got less than 50 votes), what change is just the proportion of the event, of course more or less large according to the popularity of a person.. And obviously this doesn't mean that all the votes got in this way are not worthy of it, it's pretty possible that this part of people that voted for you (I'm talking of a generic "you") would have done the same even without knowing you because really fond of your work, but the point is just this: without knowing you, maybe they wouldn't have never been able to find your entry and vote for it (maybe also just because simply not interested to the DoA series).

Said this my thoughts about your design doesn't change: when I said that I loved your design, that you deserved to win the contest and that I would like to see the outfit in the game I was honest, and it's my personal opinion that also in a contest organized in an anonymous way your design would have ended to be the winner of the competition.
 

Tirahrr

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Also allowing voters to see how many votes each design has encourages people to repeatedly vote for those designs that got a lot of votes early on, so as not to feel like they wasted their vote on a design that stands no chance of winning.
If you ask me voting should be anonymous, the author should not be listed nor the amount of votes that each design has. This would be a much more fair system with less popularity voting.

But even if the artist isn't listed, as long as fans can vote the artist can still
promote their work on their social networking sites to get their fans to vote if they do have that kind of following.

For it to be truly fair, the designers should vote but lol. Do you guys really want that any more than fan votes? We'll get all chicks in skimpy outfits and you guys know it.

EDIT: I keep forgetting to reply to things and don't want to double post. >.<

Also @Tirahrr forgot to ask but what was your design last time?

Mine was the one that came 6th, the Helena Rose design.

I actually called it Rose Garden but sadly Twitter didn't like me that day and shrunk my image really small which is why it was really small for the voting and winner images. However if you go back and check my original tweet now it's normal size again. Quite frustrating but there's nothing I can do about it. I'm just glad they allow e-mail entries this time so it won't happen again.
 
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Squizzo

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But even if the artist isn't listed, as long as fans can vote the artist can still
promote their work on their social networking sites to get their fans to vote if they do have that kind of following.
True, but it would be next to impossible to stop people sharing their designs on other communities, so there is really nothing that can be done about that.
Anonymous voting would still help reduce popularity votes even if it can't eliminate them completely.
 

Kodachi

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unfortunately I'm struggling with my own design so I'm unable to help.
someone PM me if they're interested in helping me out
Not worried about my sketches being proportional or looking good at the moment just concepting detail ideas. Tried adding a hat though I can't draw it, trying a loose tank top that just hangs off the breasts, and changed to loose pants, as well as rolling oant legs instead of them hanging loose over feet. Gonna do more sketches tomorrow when I'm not fried and shaky from being on a caffeine high.

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She actually looks so bad ass, the progression is going in the right direction.
 

Shiranui

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I think the more neutral way to declare winners is by TN voting themselves. But this method doesn't give the chance to fanbase to give their opinion, so it could be risky for TN because they couldn't know how people likes the designs they chose. On the other side, what TN gets with these contests is popularity in social nets. So, a contest without fanbase votes is not interesting for them.

And i think is cool fans can say their opinion by voting, even if this means some kind of "hey, help me! Vote my entry!". For this reason I think "special prizes" by TN members is a cool way to balance the contest final result. But this doesn't mean that who win by numbers of votes are not legitimate winners.

So, as long as they don't do this through facebook again and no one gets hacked with unreal votes (like what happened to my entry on last contest), I'm ok with the voting system.
Using a serious website it will be better. One vote for each IP, no albums till all designs are up, no votes allowed after contest is closed, (no hacking, I hope)... A lot of things will work better doing it outside of facebook.
 

Argentus

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I'm not saying the contest was rigged, but it was definitely a popularity contest. Well known members of the community were at an advantage from the word go, simply due to their popularity, compared to lesser known members with fewer fb/twitter followers and less influence in the community
.
I'm not picking on Brute but do you really think Bananakira would have got so many votes if it was submitted anonymously? Not picking on Axouel but do you think his Marie design would have got so many votes if he wasn't such a good artist and popular community member?

Also allowing voters to see how many votes each design has encourages people to repeatedly vote for those designs that got a lot of votes early on, so as not to feel like they wasted their vote on a design that stands no chance of winning.
If you ask me voting should be anonymous, the author should not be listed nor the amount of votes that each design has. This would be a much more fair system with less popularity voting.
I also think art quality is a big factor as well.

I like the hat fits more the bancho style then the headband did. the faxt that one eye is covered up is also a cool idear. Makes her look like a total badass. I'm also not a Fan of the bandages underboob Design but its probably going to give you way more likes than a sports bra or tank top.
Yeah lol...underboob would be popular but even I'm not a fan.

unfortunately I'm struggling with my own design so I'm unable to help.
someone PM me if they're interested in helping me out

She actually looks so bad ass, the progression is going in the right direction.
Still not sure what color scheme to go with though.
 
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