The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

[Awesmic]

A godawful token Black stereotype that barely gets used is the most redeeming quality of DOA? Really now, think about it for a second...

I thought about it for a second... and here's my answer.

What a fool you are. Do you not see the cleverness? The wit? The magnitude of barriers he's broken from the mold of black stereotypes in fighting games?

Do you not see his well-written connection to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers as the former Black Ranger 7-9 years in the past?

Do you not see his carefree childhood as a television commercial personality as the one true Legomaniac?

Did you not see his original concept of Teletubbies that could've spun off from the Power Rangers franchise, only to have PBS acquire the rights right from under his nose and bastardize his badass concept?

Do you not see the inspiration for the legendary Super Saiyan Broly's trademark quips?

Do you not see his incredible respect for Leiji Matsumoto and one of the most badass speeches of all time from one of the most badass characters of all time, Captain Harlock?

Surely, Zack is no ordinary stereotype with these feats. He was a Power Ranger. He was a Legomaniac. He sounds like a Super Saiyan. He's a fan of one of the most revered manga artists in history. And he damn near banged the last remaining descendant of the Cetra... but most of all, he's a fun loving guy who has the ability to bring the fighters together in a tournament, let alone every girl to a resort island he bought with his own money... and you have the nerve to write him off as a godawful black stereotype?

I'm not a Zack player or anything like that, but it's not that hard for me to see Zack is as unique as they come. Do you know many Dee Jays, Bruce Irwins, or Eddie Winslo--- I mean Gordos that have done half the awesomeness this guy has done? Didn't think so.

 

[Deleted member 473]

A godawful token Black stereotype that barely gets used is the most redeeming quality of DOA? Really now, think about it for a second...

TN fucked him up to be that way. He would have been the Johnny Cage of this series... Limitless potential, but nope TN fucked it up by making him the comedic relief like assholes..

 

[Deleted member 473]

I thought about it for a second... and here's my answer.

What a fool you are. Do you not see the cleverness? The wit? The magnitude of barriers he's broken from the mold of black stereotypes in fighting games?

Do you not see his well-written connection to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers as the former Black Ranger 7-9 years in the past?

Do you not see his carefree childhood as a television commercial personality as the one true Legomaniac?

Did you not see his original concept of Teletubbies that could've spun off from the Power Rangers franchise, only to have PBS acquire the rights right from under his nose and bastardize his badass concept?

Do you not see the inspiration for the legendary Super Saiyan Broly's trademark quips?

Do you not see his incredible respect for Leiji Matsumoto and one of the most badass speeches of all time from one of the most badass characters of all time, Captain Harlock?

Surely, Zack is no ordinary stereotype with these feats. He was a Power Ranger. He was a Legomaniac. He sounds like a Super Saiyan. He's a fan of one of the most revered manga artists in history. And he damn near banged the last remaining descendant of the Cetra... but most of all, he's a fun loving guy who has the ability to bring the fighters together in a tournament, let alone every girl to a resort island he bought with his own money... and you have the nerve to write him off as a godawful black stereotype?

I'm not a Zack player or anything like that, but it's not that hard for me to see Zack is as unique as they come. Do you know many Dee Jays, Bruce Irwins, or Eddie Winslo--- I mean Gordos that have done half the awesomeness this guy has done? Didn't think so.

 

[indieanimator]

VF has an anime if that helps. It tells about the happenings of VF's first tournament. Not sure if it's canon though. I never gotten to finish watching it.

All I saw were countless times that Pai gets hit at the back of her neck by Akira doing Ein's 33T.

Recently finished watching all of Season 1 on YouTube & enjoyed it a lot. I enjoyed the cast a lot more than SF.
And wanted to use the VFers more than before in this game (except Akira- I have a rough time w/him).

 

[indieanimator]

I dunno. In regards to the story/purpose of the roster, I find all fighting games to have totally shit stories and so story-relevant characters that are done well tend to be few, just like in DOA (exceptions being Hayabusa, Nightmare, Liu Kang, etc.)

As far as personality/complexity goes, again, all fighting game character rosters tend to suck ass at that, DOA no more than the others.

Now regarding character design and style, I actually feel like DOA does better than most. Now you could say "It doesn't have werewolves and shit" but I don't think you need those to still have a diverse selection of characters and playstyles.

So yeah. Hate me for it if you like, but I don't really have a problem with DOA's roster, save that 5U fucking needs Tengu back stat.

Exception to personality/complexity being bad in FGs would be KOF13, P4A & BB, imo.
I dig most of those characters a lot, and appreciate all the writing, though P4A had a huge, unique head start.

 

[SilverForte]

Since when has zack not been the "joke" character of the series? Doa1?

 

[Brute]

I thought about it for a second... and here's my answer.

What a fool you are. Do you not see the cleverness? The wit? The magnitude of barriers he's broken from the mold of black stereotypes in fighting games?

Do you not see his well-written connection to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers as the former Black Ranger 7-9 years in the past?

Do you not see his carefree childhood as a television commercial personality as the one true Legomaniac?

Did you not see his original concept of Teletubbies that could've spun off from the Power Rangers franchise, only to have PBS acquire the rights right from under his nose and bastardize his badass concept?

Do you not see the inspiration for the legendary Super Saiyan Broly's trademark quips?

Do you not see his incredible respect for Leiji Matsumoto and one of the most badass speeches of all time from one of the most badass characters of all time, Captain Harlock?

Surely, Zack is no ordinary stereotype with these feats. He was a Power Ranger. He was a Legomaniac. He sounds like a Super Saiyan. He's a fan of one of the most revered manga artists in history. And he damn near banged the last remaining descendant of the Cetra... but most of all, he's a fun loving guy who has the ability to bring the fighters together in a tournament, let alone every girl to a resort island he bought with his own money... and you have the nerve to write him off as a godawful black stereotype?

I'm not a Zack player or anything like that, but it's not that hard for me to see Zack is as unique as they come. Do you know many Dee Jays, Bruce Irwins, or Eddie Winslo--- I mean Gordos that have done half the awesomeness this guy has done? Didn't think so.

Either your post was meant to be ironic or you just did a horrible job of contesting FoN's point.

 

[Yurlungur]

A godawful token Black stereotype that barely gets used is the most redeeming quality of DOA? Really now, think about it for a second...

but he's a teletubby who shootss lazerr beams, clearly not your sterotypical blackguy

 

[Argentus]

To be fair, the rather bland characters are something DOA (especially 5/5U) suffers from as well. They certainly look nicer, and they do have some semblance of personality. When it comes down to it, though, the vast majority of the cast have personalities comparable to that of a cosplaying pine cone. I will continue to say that a spinoff of some sort (doesn't even need to be a game -- a webcomic or something could easily achieve this) that focuses on building the characters, rather than just forcing them into arbitrary roles, could benefit the series.

*volunteers to do DOA webcomic*

 

[Awesmic]

Either your post was meant to be ironic or you just did a horrible job of contesting FoN's point.

Fuck you, my post was awesome.

 

[David Gregg]

Spoiler

 

[Force_of_Nature]

Well, by improve, I do mean more along the lines of "stop inexplicably changing characters entirely every game and start building on how they already are..." Not like flesh out every detail about them, but make them consistent at least. Still, like I said, I'm not trying to say it's DOA's biggest problem at all. It does have quite a few, really. I really don't know how to express my point very well. I guess it amounts to, a lot of people are drawn to characters they can care about, and DOA has very little of that. I'm really not saying anything like "this needs to be a character-driven series," or even anything that should affect how the game plays, really. I'm well aware that gameplay does and should take priority. That said, character personalities can be a powerful force in regard to a game's popularity nowadays, and neglecting that seems, frankly, unreasonable.

IMHO, very few fighting games have any characters that I genuinely care about. Even Street Fighter, which has been around since technically the 80's, doesn't have any characters I give a shit about. Same with Mortal Kombat or Virtua Fighter. DOA on the otherhand has Ayane, which happens to be a very well-developed character that I can actually relate to:

However, I do agree that a game's "personality" is pretty important and games like BlazBlue, Persona 4: Arena and King of Fighters are loaded with personality and great characters. Tekken also has a pretty good cast of characters (mostly..), though their overarching story is complete shit now. Pretty much, don't expect a fighting game, not developed by Arc System Works, to have a quality story.

TN fucked him up to be that way. He would have been the Johnny Cage of this series... Limitless potential, but nope TN fucked it up by making him the comedic relief like assholes..

Fair enough. I'm interested to see how Zack would've been received if he wasn't an embarrassing Black stereotype or comic relief. Lisa, on the otherhand, is a much more interesting character. Scientist for evil corporation during the day? Luchadora at night? Yes please!

*Snippity Snip*

Lol, xD Shut up Awesmic, this was just ........

 

[Awesmic]

Spoiler

A simple "thanks for not talking down on yourself" would've sufficed. -_-

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

but he's a teletubby who shootss lazerr beams, clearly not your sterotypical blackguy

I'm quite positive the people saying he is have no clue what stereotypical even means.

 

[Deleted member 473]

This is the image of Zack I used to have in my head:

 

[StrikerSashi]

Are we seriously expecting Asian people to not be racist? You guys have to remember that the vast majority of Asian countries are nothing but Asian. You can easily live your entire life without seeing someone of another race. That's the perfect environment to be racist, intentional or not (I'm assuming not).

 

[DestructionBomb]

 

[StrikerSashi]

It's okay, I'm Chinese, I can say that. :v

 

[Argentus]

So, um...would anyone be against it if I actually attempted a DOA webcomic that focuses on the non Ninjas? though my sketches aside, this was my last attempt at a comic in PhotoShop, so I may need someone else to be artist.

Spoiler

I seriously would like a crack at developing the characters more...

 

[DestructionBomb]

So, um...would anyone be against it if I actually attempted a DOA webcomic that focuses on the non Ninjas? though my sketches aside, this was my last attempt at a comic in PhotoShop, so I may need someone else to be artist.

Spoiler

I seriously would like a crack at developing the characters more...

No because we believe you will make Mila as the main character and beat the crap outta everybody in the roster.



Nah just kidding. Sounds cool.