PLAtinum OswaLD
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can someone just do this for everyone, this is great
DOA5U The Butterfly Kunoichi - DOA5U Ayane Breakdown
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hounddog75
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This is a really nice guide.
Thank you~
64H+P~6PP~66KK4~4P*K
Well it does take a ridiculous amount of time and dedication to do so, but this is the kind of guide that the majority of characters deserve.
You can stagger (and hold after stagger escaping) out of 6PP while back turned. It's not full proof.
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Hajin is one of the hardest workers in this community, you're great, man.
Oh, interesting, I thought it was guaranteed on a Backturned opponent at disadvantage. I haven't had it held yet from hitting someone in the back. What's the strongest combo on a middleweight after 64H+P that is full-proof?
64H+P > 4P+K > BT6P > 8KK > BTPP4PP7K (midscreen) is 73 damage on feather, light, welter and mid weights.
Ah, thank you Hajin! I'll try that out! I'll see how much I can get off of Heavyweights in 5U.
Kronin
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I premise that Ayane is my main but that I'm far to be a good player with her, however @Hajin' I want give you my answer hoping to not say too much crap...
I think that the only way to improve is make practice and practice, sincerely this seems to me the most effective way for improving.
I make you a personal example: when I complete the list of moves for a character in training, of course I don't remember all the moves that I practiced until few moments ago. However surely there are some moves that for various motives casual and/or technicals (peculiar easiness or complexity in the execution, damage done, beauty of the animations, advantage that brought to you, ecc...) remain more impressed in my memory.
At that point i practice more and more these moves that instictively are more easy for me to remember, until I can do them easily and I remember their existence without having to see them on the list of moves of the character.
The next step is try to implement them in my gameplay: when I could use a similar move? For example I can start directly to attack the adversary with it, or it's better to use it like following of a previous set-up?
[Of course the same could be applied also to the combo, while for other areas of the game (like the correct use of the holds or mix-up), it's necessary to make a different practice and knowing very well the opponent that you have in front].
Making a reductive summary, we could say that this is exactly what made @iHajinShinobi in this guide (HajinShinobi correct me if I'm wrong), selecting the best options available (dividing them for families of moves), and explaining, also in a technical way (the number of frames), in what situations it's better to use them, on the opposite of what I made that it's based only on the experience on the "battlefield" (I haven't the time or memory for learning the frame properties, sorry XD).
Like iHajinShinobi has already said - and like I did in the beginning of this post - it's impossible to learn everything immediately. It's necessary to focus on little sections, learn the more possible from them to implement it in their own style, and just after to pass to another one. I would suggest you to make fights against real opponents during the training, without caring for your win ratio: this would be the best gym for understanding what work and what instead needs to be improved or substituted in your own style.
Very soon you will be able to see like little additions often are able to reveal themselves really effective and open your mind to new ways to fight with your character. For example, at least against online players - I have no way to play with real people - I can say that I found fundamental 6P3 and all his leading options:
I repeat that my approach to the training is few technical and very empirical (I still remain a casual player trying to become more competent on the gameplay), but if you have the skills and the time for learning through a way much more rational and studied, I think that you should see the results very soon.
PS:
Finally remeber that being able to understand your opponent is maybe the most important thing: a character on the chart can be able to do or not certain things, but in the end everyone use them in an individual way. Being able to recognize the patterns of the opponents (or on the opposite, to change your own behavior in fight according to the opponent) could be the determining factor between the victory or the loss.
I think that the only way to improve is make practice and practice, sincerely this seems to me the most effective way for improving.
I make you a personal example: when I complete the list of moves for a character in training, of course I don't remember all the moves that I practiced until few moments ago. However surely there are some moves that for various motives casual and/or technicals (peculiar easiness or complexity in the execution, damage done, beauty of the animations, advantage that brought to you, ecc...) remain more impressed in my memory.
At that point i practice more and more these moves that instictively are more easy for me to remember, until I can do them easily and I remember their existence without having to see them on the list of moves of the character.
The next step is try to implement them in my gameplay: when I could use a similar move? For example I can start directly to attack the adversary with it, or it's better to use it like following of a previous set-up?
[Of course the same could be applied also to the combo, while for other areas of the game (like the correct use of the holds or mix-up), it's necessary to make a different practice and knowing very well the opponent that you have in front].
Making a reductive summary, we could say that this is exactly what made @iHajinShinobi in this guide (HajinShinobi correct me if I'm wrong), selecting the best options available (dividing them for families of moves), and explaining, also in a technical way (the number of frames), in what situations it's better to use them, on the opposite of what I made that it's based only on the experience on the "battlefield" (I haven't the time or memory for learning the frame properties, sorry XD).
Like iHajinShinobi has already said - and like I did in the beginning of this post - it's impossible to learn everything immediately. It's necessary to focus on little sections, learn the more possible from them to implement it in their own style, and just after to pass to another one. I would suggest you to make fights against real opponents during the training, without caring for your win ratio: this would be the best gym for understanding what work and what instead needs to be improved or substituted in your own style.
Very soon you will be able to see like little additions often are able to reveal themselves really effective and open your mind to new ways to fight with your character. For example, at least against online players - I have no way to play with real people - I can say that I found fundamental 6P3 and all his leading options:
I repeat that my approach to the training is few technical and very empirical (I still remain a casual player trying to become more competent on the gameplay), but if you have the skills and the time for learning through a way much more rational and studied, I think that you should see the results very soon.
PS:
Finally remeber that being able to understand your opponent is maybe the most important thing: a character on the chart can be able to do or not certain things, but in the end everyone use them in an individual way. Being able to recognize the patterns of the opponents (or on the opposite, to change your own behavior in fight according to the opponent) could be the determining factor between the victory or the loss.
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DarkShadeXZero
Member
Some day......I will definitely do the ULTIMATE Momiji Guide.
Also make it compact too. LOL
Also make it compact too. LOL
I would, since I have a 360, but I do not have Xboxlive. :/
I'm not sure how soon I'll be able to play on Xboxlive, so I rather not disappoint you and say that I'll be on soon.
I'm more than willing to help you learn this character though, if you like. You are more than welcome to ask any questions and post up your matches in the Ayane video thread for critique.
I never have access to PSN (on a PS3, I have a Vita) or XBL, so I try to help out however I can. Offline and on the forums.
I'm more than willing to help you learn this character though, if you like. You are more than welcome to ask any questions and post up your matches in the Ayane video thread for critique.
I never have access to PSN (on a PS3, I have a Vita) or XBL, so I try to help out however I can. Offline and on the forums.