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GENERAL STATUSES OVERVIEW:
Before we begin, we're going to list several move properties.
These are all the statuses shown by the in-game move details window along with their internal IDs.
0 Standing
1 Crouching
2 Down
3 Jumping
4 Jump (evade lows)
5 Jump
6 Squatting
And these are the various Throw/OH types.
1 High = hits standing and squatting targets
2 Medium = Throws/OHs don't use this target, so we don't need to care
3 Low = hits crouching and squatting targets
4 Ground (uncommon) = hits down opponents
8 Air (uncommon) = hits jump opponents
255 multiple (extremely rare) = sometimes Throws/OHs can hit multiple targets at the same time such as Bass Side Step Throw (High+Squatting+Air) or Bayman 3P+KT OH (High+Squatting+Ground)
JUMP STATUSES EXPLAINED:
Now we're going to take a deeper look at the Jump-related statuses and some peculiarities.
- Jumping and Jump seem to be mechanically identical
- during Jump (evade lows) you're invincible to all Low Strikes
- every status that starts with Jump in its name makes you invincible to High/Low/Ground Throws and OHs
- notice how I didn't list Air. Because of Bass Side Step Throw unique properties, he is able to hit any move in the air, even during the Strike startup or active frames of those, thus effectively bypassing the "Strikes beat Throws" part of the triangle system
(click here for more Bass Side Step Throw action)
This time we'll look into a different hidden Jump status, which from now on I'm going to call Airborne status.
- together with Jumping/Jump (evade lows)/Jump statuses, there's also this little known Airborne status which dictates whether or not a move is "truly" in the air or not. This Airborne property is actually a separate HIDDEN undocumented value not shown anywhere (until now ;-). Internally, the flag is equal to 0 when the frame of a move frame is grounded, and 1 when it's Airborne
- as stated previously, being in Crouching status normally makes you invincible to High Strikes, and Jump (evade lows) status makes you invincible to Low Strikes... but these two invincibilities get nullified during "Airborne status" frames. Example: frames 9~16 of Hayabusa WhileRising 4K are both Crouching AND Airborne at the same time, which means that both Low OHs and High Strikes can still hit him during that brief moment (implying that the hitboxes properly connect with the hurtboxes too obviously)
- since it's a separate value altogether, you may encounter some moves that are seemingly 100% Standing against Throws/OHs according to the move details window, but behave differently against Strikes (they start a juggle), and viceversa. Example: Hayabusa 7K actually has Airborne frames from 15~25, and interrupting him with a Strike during those frames will juggle combo him
- only one of the Tag Switch animations (H+P+K during a Tag match) has Airborne frames. This is how they work:
handspring: 35 frames total - 20~35 Airborne frames
cartwheel: 35 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
walk: 35 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
teleport (bosses only): 5 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
- you can use my updated DOA5LR ToolBox (the Frame Counter tool specifically) to expose the hidden Airborne status of any move in real-time. You will notice that Team Ninja tends to add Airborne frames to moves very sparingly to say the least
NORMAL/COUNTER/HI COUNTER DAMAGE MODIFIERS:
Being hit in the air can get you different damage modifiers according to the statuses of the frame you got hit on, and the animation playing.
However, some animations are just arbitrarily going to have a forced "Always Counter Hit" flag from the first to the last frame. Hayabusa 9P is an example of this; inversely, Naotora 9P has no such flag, even though the purposes and properties of both moves are very similar. But the moves that don't make use of such arbitrary flag actually do follow some convoluted logic that I'll try to explain:
Jump in these cases refers to any of the 3 statuses Jumping/Jump (evade lows)/Jump
Keep in mind that the Normal Hit cases I listed will not happen if you're being hit by another situation that would cause Counter or Hi Counter e.g. Throwing an air OH = Hi Counter, or getting Striked during your own Strike startup/active frames = Counter. The highest damage modifier always takes the priority.
ODD MOVE-SPECIFIC AIR BEHAVIOURS:
Please note I haven't tested every move in the game that has Airborne frames in them. There are too many, here I am going to list exclusively what I found to be noteworthy.
Hayabusa teleport attacks
Weirdly enough, they don't reach a true Airborne status until the 9th frame (Punch version) or 10th frame (Kick/Throw/Movement versions) of the teleport animation even though Hayabusa is visibly flying 2 meters up in the air.
Tina 9K
On block, this move can only be Throw punished with High Throws that have exactly 6 frames of startup; not less, not more.
The reason that neutral Throws don't work is that the entirety of her recovery has both a Jump AND Airborne status, so you'll end up Throwing her too soon while she's still in the air.
The reason you can Throw punish her with a 6 frame startup Throw is that the move is -8 on block and after her last frame of recovery, she'll be stuck in that usual single unskippable "unholdable glitch frame", during which she is no longer Jumping/Airborne, and that's when the 2nd active frame of your 6 startup Throw will land.
Marie Rose 7P
Along with her 3P+KK, this is one of the few examples of moves that have 0 Jump status frames according to the move details window, but actually contain some Airborne frames.
7P is also the fastest move that transitions into Airborne status that I know of... it only takes 4 frames. What this means is that you can throw it out whenever you're in a -5 frame disadvantage situation to minimize the opponent's Strike pressure by falling to the ground and taking minimal Normal Hit damage if he hits you during the 7P, or just get away with it if the opponent does nothing. Throws will catch her because of the Standing status but the opponent is not supposed to Throw at -5 anyway.
TL;DR
There are 2 main types of Jump statuses in DOA
>type 1 is shown as
>type 2 is not shown anywhere, I call it Airborne, determines if a Strike will float you
>they can be mixed up, these are possible outcomes when you get hit by a Strike:
Before we begin, we're going to list several move properties.
These are all the statuses shown by the in-game move details window along with their internal IDs.
0 Standing
1 Crouching
2 Down
3 Jumping
4 Jump (evade lows)
5 Jump
6 Squatting
And these are the various Throw/OH types.
1 High = hits standing and squatting targets
2 Medium = Throws/OHs don't use this target, so we don't need to care
3 Low = hits crouching and squatting targets
4 Ground (uncommon) = hits down opponents
8 Air (uncommon) = hits jump opponents
255 multiple (extremely rare) = sometimes Throws/OHs can hit multiple targets at the same time such as Bass Side Step Throw (High+Squatting+Air) or Bayman 3P+KT OH (High+Squatting+Ground)
JUMP STATUSES EXPLAINED:
Now we're going to take a deeper look at the Jump-related statuses and some peculiarities.
- Jumping and Jump seem to be mechanically identical
- during Jump (evade lows) you're invincible to all Low Strikes
- every status that starts with Jump in its name makes you invincible to High/Low/Ground Throws and OHs
- notice how I didn't list Air. Because of Bass Side Step Throw unique properties, he is able to hit any move in the air, even during the Strike startup or active frames of those, thus effectively bypassing the "Strikes beat Throws" part of the triangle system
(click here for more Bass Side Step Throw action)
This time we'll look into a different hidden Jump status, which from now on I'm going to call Airborne status.
- together with Jumping/Jump (evade lows)/Jump statuses, there's also this little known Airborne status which dictates whether or not a move is "truly" in the air or not. This Airborne property is actually a separate HIDDEN undocumented value not shown anywhere (until now ;-). Internally, the flag is equal to 0 when the frame of a move frame is grounded, and 1 when it's Airborne
- as stated previously, being in Crouching status normally makes you invincible to High Strikes, and Jump (evade lows) status makes you invincible to Low Strikes... but these two invincibilities get nullified during "Airborne status" frames. Example: frames 9~16 of Hayabusa WhileRising 4K are both Crouching AND Airborne at the same time, which means that both Low OHs and High Strikes can still hit him during that brief moment (implying that the hitboxes properly connect with the hurtboxes too obviously)
- since it's a separate value altogether, you may encounter some moves that are seemingly 100% Standing against Throws/OHs according to the move details window, but behave differently against Strikes (they start a juggle), and viceversa. Example: Hayabusa 7K actually has Airborne frames from 15~25, and interrupting him with a Strike during those frames will juggle combo him
- only one of the Tag Switch animations (H+P+K during a Tag match) has Airborne frames. This is how they work:
handspring: 35 frames total - 20~35 Airborne frames
cartwheel: 35 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
walk: 35 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
teleport (bosses only): 5 frames total - 0 Airborne frames
- you can use my updated DOA5LR ToolBox (the Frame Counter tool specifically) to expose the hidden Airborne status of any move in real-time. You will notice that Team Ninja tends to add Airborne frames to moves very sparingly to say the least
NORMAL/COUNTER/HI COUNTER DAMAGE MODIFIERS:
Being hit in the air can get you different damage modifiers according to the statuses of the frame you got hit on, and the animation playing.
However, some animations are just arbitrarily going to have a forced "Always Counter Hit" flag from the first to the last frame. Hayabusa 9P is an example of this; inversely, Naotora 9P has no such flag, even though the purposes and properties of both moves are very similar. But the moves that don't make use of such arbitrary flag actually do follow some convoluted logic that I'll try to explain:
Code:
Jump ON + Airborne OFF = Hi Counter
Jump ON + Airborne ON = Normal Hit (additional note: these statuses put together make you immune to the Close Hit modifier)
Jump OFF + Airborne ON = Normal HitKeep in mind that the Normal Hit cases I listed will not happen if you're being hit by another situation that would cause Counter or Hi Counter e.g. Throwing an air OH = Hi Counter, or getting Striked during your own Strike startup/active frames = Counter. The highest damage modifier always takes the priority.
ODD MOVE-SPECIFIC AIR BEHAVIOURS:
Please note I haven't tested every move in the game that has Airborne frames in them. There are too many, here I am going to list exclusively what I found to be noteworthy.
Hayabusa teleport attacks
Weirdly enough, they don't reach a true Airborne status until the 9th frame (Punch version) or 10th frame (Kick/Throw/Movement versions) of the teleport animation even though Hayabusa is visibly flying 2 meters up in the air.
Tina 9K
Code:
18 startup - 4 active - 18 recovery
Low Strikes invincibility = 9~17
High/Low/Ground Throw/OH invincibility = 9~40
Airborne status = 18~40The reason that neutral Throws don't work is that the entirety of her recovery has both a Jump AND Airborne status, so you'll end up Throwing her too soon while she's still in the air.
The reason you can Throw punish her with a 6 frame startup Throw is that the move is -8 on block and after her last frame of recovery, she'll be stuck in that usual single unskippable "unholdable glitch frame", during which she is no longer Jumping/Airborne, and that's when the 2nd active frame of your 6 startup Throw will land.
Marie Rose 7P
Code:
43 frames in total
Airborne status = 5~437P is also the fastest move that transitions into Airborne status that I know of... it only takes 4 frames. What this means is that you can throw it out whenever you're in a -5 frame disadvantage situation to minimize the opponent's Strike pressure by falling to the ground and taking minimal Normal Hit damage if he hits you during the 7P, or just get away with it if the opponent does nothing. Throws will catch her because of the Standing status but the opponent is not supposed to Throw at -5 anyway.
TL;DR
There are 2 main types of Jump statuses in DOA
>type 1 is shown as
Jump/Jumping/Jump (evade lows) in the Move Details page, determines your Throw/OH immunity>type 2 is not shown anywhere, I call it Airborne, determines if a Strike will float you
>they can be mixed up, these are possible outcomes when you get hit by a Strike:
Code:
Jump ON + Airborne OFF = Hi Counter, will force Standing (e.g. some frames of Tina 4P+K)
Jump ON + Airborne ON = floated, immune to Close Hit, immune to Throws/OH's (e.g. Ayane 9K for some frames)
Jump OFF + Airborne ON = floated, vulnerable to Throws/OH's (e.g. Brad 66P+K)
Jump OFF + Airborne OFF = this is not a jumping move, stupid
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