Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate: Helena

[ninjaguy446]

Well, I'm starting to suck a lot with Helena (didn't I always?). Help.

Lol for fun you can try to play the whole match in BT. It also helps your BT game. But basically, if you don't already, you wanna utilize all of Helena's stances. Use her transitions during stun such as 1K, 9P4, PP4, 2H+K, 4P, BKO 4P, BKO 6P4P, 44P, 3PP4, 8PP4, 6P4 etc.

44P, 6P4, 8PP4 and the like are all really good for a BT T setup, resets and other shenanigans.
Hope this helps.

 

[Requiem]

Well, I'm starting to suck a lot with Helena (didn't I always?). Help.

You're not.

We'll play more. Honestly, most issues I saw when playing were not character specific.

However...

Lol for fun you can try to play the whole match in BT. It also helps your BT game. But basically, if you don't already, you wanna utilize all of Helena's stances. Use her transitions during stun such as 1K, 9P4, PP4, 2H+K, 4P, BKO 4P, BKO 6P4P, 44P, 3PP4, 8PP4, 6P4 etc.

44P, 6P4, 8PP4 and the like are all really good for a BT T setup, resets and other shenanigans.
Hope this helps.

Hm, playing as much of a match in one stance as much as possible for training would be a fun exercise. Especially on someone willing to be the slightest bit tolerant of it.

 

[Pictured Mind]

BT Helena is the best one. The mindgames are so annoying. And then the BT throw chains... <3

 

[Project Bokuho]

You're not.

We'll play more. Honestly, most issues I saw when playing were not character specific.

Okay, thanks man. I really need to improve.

 

[ninjaguy446]

In light of the new Genfu discoveries, I've been checking out what Helena can get guaranteed off of a BT opponent.

• 214P+K BKO 6K
  • Guaranteed launch
• 214P+K BKO 6P/4P
  • Standard guaranteed stuff from the SDS
• 66KPP (no charge)
  • Good against walls
• 3PP/P
  • Same as after BT T 3PP/P
• 6P+KP
  • Reset
• 4PPK
  • Guaranteed. Your best damage option
• 44PPP

That's all I could find that was worthwhile and did not launch immediately. I might've missed a few, though.

 

[Requiem]

In light of the new Genfu discoveries, I've been checking out what Helena can get guaranteed off of a BT opponent.

• 214P+K BKO 6K
  • Guaranteed launch
• 214P+K BKO 6P/4P
  • Standard guaranteed stuff from the SDS
• 66KPP (no charge)
  • Good against walls
• 3PP/P
  • Same as after BT T 3PP/P
• 6P+KP
  • Reset
• 4PPK
  • Guaranteed. You're best damage option
• 44PPP

That's all I could find that was worthwhile and did not launch immediately. I might've missed a few, though.

These are all good; wiff punishing with 4PPK is particularly slick. 3PP(P) becomes guaranteed too, into juggle and oki; at 12 frames, it is very fast and very flexible, my personal favorite. 6P+KP seems particularly interesting, though...

 

[ninjaguy446]

These are all good; wiff punishing with 4PPK is particularly slick. 3PP(P) becomes guaranteed too, into juggle and oki; at 12 frames, it is very fast and very flexible, my personal favorite. 6P+KP seems particularly interesting, though...

Yeah, I've been trying different setups with 6P+KP against walls and invisible walls but I haven't found anything of note yet.

4PPK will punish Leifang's 3P+K; she can't block or strike. Not sure about her BT parry... it anything BT T will work if they adapt.

 

[Requiem]

Yeah, I've been trying different setups with 6P+KP against walls and invisible walls but I haven't found anything of note yet.

4PPK will punish Leifang's 3P+K; she can't block or strike. Not sure about her BT parry... it anything BT T will work if they adapt.

You definitely get 3PP(P) for that thing, so if you can't get 4PPK, just switch to that and you'll still get a full combo and oki if you want.

 

[Project Bokuho]

In light of the new Genfu discoveries, I've been checking out what Helena can get guaranteed off of a BT opponent.

• 214P+K BKO 6K
  • Guaranteed launch
• 214P+K BKO 6P/4P
  • Standard guaranteed stuff from the SDS
• 66KPP (no charge)
  • Good against walls
• 3PP/P
  • Same as after BT T 3PP/P
• 6P+KP
  • Reset
• 4PPK
  • Guaranteed. Your best damage option
• 44PPP

That's all I could find that was worthwhile and did not launch immediately. I might've missed a few, though.

Nice find!

 

[ninjaguy446]

Alright, so I've checked out some of the more ridiculous setups that might not ever happen. After a successful 236P+K on a BT opponent against an invisible wall, it guarantees pretty much any launch on fastest SE. Or, you could extend the stun (on fastest SE you can hold these. It's guaranteed with fast.) doing things like 236P+K 44PPP and 236P+K 4PPK. The best setup I've found so far is 214P4PP. You can get a guaranteed BKO P+K which is her strongest launcher and combo IIRC.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

So if I got it well, the best thing for 214P+K is to use it when the opponent is back turned ? What other use could it have otherwise ? (I just got the game weeks ago and couldn't find the time to work on Helena properly...)

 

[ninjaguy446]

So if I got it well, the best thing for 214P+K is to use it when the opponent is back turned ? What other use could it have otherwise ? (I just got the game weeks ago and couldn't find the time to work on Helena properly...)

Since you haven't been here in a while I'll just write some new things Helena got.

214P+K is a pretty good SDS it guarantees BKO 4P and BKO 6P.
6P4 and 3PP4 now go into BT. Good stun reset.
H+K2 goes into BKO.

I think that's it. At least all I remember.

 

[KwonJigglypuff]

I don't know if it's just me, but sometimes the timing to got into BKO from H+K2 (and BT PPK2) is hard..

I love Helena's new tools in the patch, nice to see TN completed her moveset like they intended to do in Vanilla... back then, you could see she was one of the last character created with Lamar and Gen Fu...

 

[E-Mann]

One good word of advice to Helena players. Learn to train yourself to use her 8p, 236p, and 6pBT strings. Those moves have extremely deadly secrets to them.

 

[EyeLovePumpkins]

One good word of advice to Helena players. Learn to train yourself to use her 8p, 236p, and 6pBT strings. Those moves have extremely deadly secrets to them.

But I've never used those outside of combo strings and stun extend. What are the secrets to them???

 

[E-Mann]

But I've never used those outside of combo strings and stun extend. What are the secrets to them???

Use them more often and you'll find out. P.S. u used 6pBT as a combo string? 0_o????? lolol??

 

[EyeLovePumpkins]

Use them more often and you'll find out. P.S. u used 6pBT as a combo string? 0_o????? lolol??

Well actually, I didn't even noticed you wrote 6pBT lol
That leads me to think that I don't at all use it. 6pBT is useful for what? As a poke? It really slow for a high.

 

[ninjaguy446]

Well actually, I didn't even noticed you wrote 6pBT lol
That leads me to think that I don't at all use it. 6pBT is useful for what? As a poke? It really slow for a high.

Resets. If you do 6P in stun then you get +8 and if you do 6P4 you get +12 IIRC. You could do 214T, BT T, BKO 2K, 2H+K, etc. and once you condition them to that you can start even more mixups.

 

[AsheMann21]

Hi everyone. Can anybody recommend a launcher for me? So far, I've been using BKO 66P and 7K.

 

[ninjaguy446]

Hi everyone. Can anybody recommend a launcher for me? So far, I've been using BKO 66P and 7K.

You should try to use all of Helena's launchers to confuse the opponent. Plus, each one has their own benefits and downsides.

9K, 8K, 7K, BKO 6K, BKO H+K, BKO P+K, BKO 66P, BT P+K, BT 4K, etc.

I like to play the stun game, so if I'm at a point where I can CB!, then I'll either BKO 6K or CB! them. You should try out all of her launchers and see where and how you can use them best. Also, try not to use a mid punch launcher if you can CB!. It destroys the mixup lol.