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Onryoki

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Eh, I don't mind NiCO too much, though I do wish they made her older so her being a key scientist in MIST would be a bit more plausible, since that takes a lifetime of training (yes, Lisa also was a bit young to be a top scientist, but at least you could argue that she was possibly going through training.). I mean, Nagisa proved you can make a flat chested girl WITHOUT needing to make her 18 bare minimum.

Also, just as an FYI, even if we were to get the DOAXVV cast on DOA6, the majority of the female cast would still be older than 18. By my count, we have Ayane, Fiona, Luna, Honoka, Marie Rose, Misaki, and NiCO. Seven girls total. As such, not counting Momiji or Rachel, since their status isn't even clear as of yet, we'd have Nagisa, Tamaki, Tina Armstrong, Lisa Hamilton, Helena Douglas, Mila, Leifang, Hitomi, Kasumi, Kokoro, Nyotengu, and Phase 4 (technically, due to her being a full-grown Kasumi clone), leaving 12 girls who are older than 18 (19 at the absolute minimum). Assuming Momiji and Rachel ARE in DOA6, that would give us 14 girls who are older than 18 (well, okay, 13, technically, since Rachel's age is unknown).

As far as why they should be added in, do I really have to remind you of the case of Lisa Hamilton? Unlike the other girls in the roster right now, she neither debuted in one of the mainline fighting games or even in Ninja Gaiden, she debuted in an Xtreme game, the first one as a matter of fact. However, she was added to the roster by DOA4 with the Luchadora style. If they can find a way to make Lisa into a fighter despite hailing from a beach game, they most certainly can do the same for the DOAXVV girls. And besides, adding Luna and Fiona would at least solve the issue about the girls' origins, considering how it was stupid that DOAXVV just neglected to mention their nationalities.
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I personally don’t get the importance of their nationalities since it really doesn’t matter where they come from. I think Lisa got added to DOA series because they couldn’t add her as DLC to DOA3. Such practices were rare during that time period so it kind of would’ve made sense that they would add her in upcoming game which was DOAX. Lisa would’ve been in the next upcoming DOA regardless if it was DOAX or DOA4, these VV girls look cool and such but we really do not need them in DOA6. Not everybody in the DOA universe has to be a fighter. I wouldn’t mind them being appearing as background characters.
Out of all the VV girls I think Nagita is probably the one that I can actually see fight since she wants to protect her little sister Misaki. We could get way better characters for DOA6, I would like it if they added one Male and one female character as DLC post launch.
 
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Onryoki said:
I personally don’t get the importance of their nationalities since it really doesn’t matter where they come from. I think Lisa got added to DOA series because they couldn’t add her as DLC to DOA3. Such practices were rare during that time period so it kind of would’ve made sense that they would add her in upcoming game which was DOAX. Lisa would’ve been in the next upcoming DOA regardless if it was DOAX or DOA4, these VV girls look cool and such but we really do not need them in DOA6. Not everybody in the DOA universe has to be a fighter. I wouldn’t mind them being appearing as background characters first and then slowly turn them into fighters eventually, but right now I would like it if we got cooler characters for 6. Out of all the VV girls I think Nagita is probably the one that I can actually see fight since she wants to protect her little sister Misaki. We could get way better characters for DOA6, I would like it if they added one Male and one female character as DLC post launch.
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Hey, if nationalities didn't matter, why bother listing them in their bios in the first place in the Dead or Alive games (Even Rachel, probably the only character in the DOA series thus far with a completely fictional place of origin, at least had Vigoorian Empire as her stated nationality)? And anyways, they didn't need to add Lisa to Xtreme Beach Volleyball, especially if they didn't want to have it be tied in to the Dead or Alive series. Sure, maybe they can't do it via DLC, since as you said, it was rare back then, but they could have at least waited until DOA4 to actually debut her, or heck, maybe even delay release of DOA3 a little longer to add her in. Now, if the rest of the cast barring the cut six of DOAXVV were, I don't know, properties belonging to companies besides Team Ninja, and Team Ninja literally didn't have the rights to use them in other games, like what happened with NICOLE, Rio Rollins, the VF characters, Mai Shiranui, and Naotora Ii, I can understand why the DOAXVV cast would not be allowed in DOA6. And don't forget Luna: She implied that she was familiar with Bushido, and besides which, she also indicated that she trains with Hitomi for stuff besides the whole Venus Festival thing. She also would qualify as a fighter when you get down to it.
 
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Hey, if nationalities didn't matter, why bother listing them in their bios in the first place in the Dead or Alive games (Even Rachel, probably the only character in the DOA series thus far with a completely fictional place of origin, at least had Vigoorian Empire as her stated nationality)? And anyways, they didn't need to add Lisa to Xtreme Beach Volleyball, especially if they didn't want to have it be tied in to the Dead or Alive series. Sure, maybe they can't do it via DLC, since as you said, it was rare back then, but they could have at least waited until DOA4 to actually debut her, or heck, maybe even delay release of DOA3 a little longer to add her in. Now, if the rest of the cast barring the cut six of DOAXVV were, I don't know, properties belonging to companies besides Team Ninja, and Team Ninja literally didn't have the rights to use them in other games, like what happened with NICOLE, Rio Rollins, the VF characters, Mai Shiranui, and Naotora Ii, I can understand why the DOAXVV cast would not be allowed in DOA6. And don't forget Luna: She implied that she was familiar with Bushido, and besides which, she also indicated that she trains with Hitomi for stuff besides the whole Venus Festival thing. She also would qualify as a fighter when you get down to it.
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Luna training with Hitomi and knowing a fighting style could make her a fighter. I think Luna would get a lot of backlash if she were added, sure some people who jerk off to DOA anyway would like her but I don’t think she should join 6 because there’s nothing special about her. I think the character design team at team ninja needs to do a better job, out of all the girls shown and added to DOAXVV and 5 &6 I think Nagita, Momiji, Rachel, NiCO, Tamaki and Nyotengu are the only girls that actually look good and seem interesting.

They could’ve waited until 4 with debuting Lisa but why would they wait almost 2 years to debut a new character simply because it’s not a fighting game. I understand why people want these characters in 6, but i think we deserve better than them (with the exception of Nagita and Tamaki).
 
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Onryoki said:
Luna training with Hitomi and knowing a fighting style could make her a fighter. I think Luna would get a lot of backlash if she were added, sure some people who jerk off to DOA anyway would like her but I don’t think she should join 6 because there’s nothing special about her. I think the character design team at team ninja needs to do a better job, out of all the girls shown and added to DOAXVV and 5 &6 I think Nagita, Momiji, Rachel, NiCO, Tamaki and Nyotengu are the only girls that actually look good and seem interesting.

They could’ve waited until 4 with debuting Lisa but why would they wait almost 2 years to debut a new character simply because it’s not a fighting game. I understand why people want these characters in 6, but i think we deserve better than them (with the exception of Nagita and Tamaki).
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I've seen games take MUCH longer than 2 years in development (Metal Gear Solid 4 and V, heck, Kingdom Hearts III, even). Two years to debut a character due to the game in-between not being a fighting game is NOTHING by comparison. And besides, as far as I'm concerned, they either do it all or nothing regarding this.

Eh, to be fair, Honoka copying movesets is an actual ability used in fiction. I think Micah's cousin in Volume 2 of Heroes had something similar to what Honoka had, only instead of limiting herself to fighting techniques, it's literally any action she saw. And let's not forget the Gizoid Emerl from Sonic Battle. Plus, it's nice to see a copycat fighter in DOA who ISN'T a villain. It also helps that, thanks to Raidou being back from the dead, Honoka actually would have some standing for having a particularly important role thanks largely to her connection to him in some manner.

Marie Rose, eh, I really can't see how much use she'd actually be in terms of overall plot, especially when, other than being Helena's servant, she barely has any real role in the plot. At least Honoka is tied in some way to Raidou for plot relevance, Phase 4 managed to outright beat Bayman in the storymode and leave him with a nasty scar (not to mention is the latest in a line of Kasumi clones by MIST), and Nyotengu is currently pursuing Ryu for reasons related in some way to taking out that Tengu guy from DOA2. Now, maybe if they have Marie Rose having a rivalry with Christie, I'd see a bit more use there, especially when both had prior affiliation to Helena as servants.

I'll admit that I can't think of a way to have Fiona be a fighter, especially when the only reason she even bothered to go to the Venus Islands was because she wanted to be closer to the owner. However, she could decide to enter the arena to learn more about the outside world, since she did imply in one of her gravures that, prior to leaving her castle, she was unaware of just how vast the world was outside its walls. Maybe join a tournament so she can gauge other people and learn about the outside world through that. And anyways, they could have her adopt a similar fighting style to Princess Peach and/or Princess Daisy from Super Smash Bros. Or hey, even Zelda.

As far as Luna, well, her interactions with Ayane are Abbot and Costello comedy gold, and her slightly out of it interactions are something of a riot, so she's got that going for her.

As far as Misaki, well, to be fair, we never got any indication that Lisa was even a fighter in DOAXBV, yet they managed to make her such in DOA4, so there's nothing necessarily stopping Misaki from becoming a fighter as well. Maybe she could become a fighter so she could get her sister off her back.

I'm not sure I'd count Momiji and Rachel since they originally were Ninja Gaiden characters, so I'm not sure they're truly new in that sense.
 
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DOA is not like other games when it comes to characters lmao, TN probably have a lot of designs for unreleased female characters for VV. Out of the characters you listed Luna and Misaki could actually become fighters. If they ever enter the DOA tournament I hope they have a good plot or a good reason to fight. I still think the VV girls should stay in VV (Except Nagisa and Tamaki, damnI like them), as background characters they could also have a lot of involvement in the game’s plot, look at Ayame, she’s a background character and she played a huge part Ayane’s character development. I think the VV girls could be used to enhance the current fighters’ plots.
 
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Onryoki said:
DOA is not like other games when it comes to characters lmao, TN probably have a lot of designs for unreleased female characters for VV. Out of the characters you listed Luna and Misaki could actually become fighters. If they ever enter the DOA tournament I hope they have a good plot or a good reason to fight. I still think the VV girls should stay in VV (Except Nagisa and Tamaki, damnI like them), as background characters they could also have a lot of involvement in the game’s plot, look at Ayame, she’s a background character and she played a huge part Ayane’s character development. I think the VV girls could be used to enhance the current fighters’ plots.
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Well, I can agree with you on that bit regarding characters. At least Dead or Alive doesn't try to paint Americans in a bad light or have the protagonists make pro-socialist/anti-American statements, unlike Metal Gear or Resident Evil or stuff like that.


And I'm pretty sure they'd have a good reason. If DOA is good at anything, it's giving their characters a reason to fight. Well, okay, I'll give you DOA5 did some stinkers regarding the DLC girls (wasn't fond of how they weren't allowed story DLC. Would it have killed them to give them that at the very least? Especially when Team Ninja was also responsible for Hyrule Warriors, which definitely gave some of the DLC characters actual story DLC), but most of the others I'm pretty sure they could add in. And as far as Fiona, all I can say is, if Princess Peach and Princess Daisy are allowed into fighting games, I'm pretty sure they can find a way to insert Fiona as a fighter.

True, Ayame definitely impacted the plot a lot. Also Meilin, Gen Fu's granddaughter (since she was the reason he participated in the DOA tournaments in the first place).
 
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otnesse said:
And anyways, they could have her adopt a similar fighting style to Princess Peach and/or Princess Daisy from Super Smash Bros. Or hey, even Zelda.
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...Peach and Daisy do some crazy crap in the sports games, and Peach has shown herself effective enough in combat that even characters in the series have started to think she just lets Bowser kidnap her. Zelda has long been shown to be competent with both archery and screen-nuke magic, and lately has been depicted wielding a rapier.

Like, if you want to try and single out noncombatants in Smash, Isabelle's the one you should be looking at.
 
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otnesse

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...Peach and Daisy do some crazy crap in the sports games, and Peach has shown herself effective enough in combat that even characters in the series have started to think she just lets Bowser kidnap her. Zelda has long been shown to be competent with both archery and screen-nuke magic, and lately has been depicted wielding a rapier.

Like, if you want to try and single out noncombatants in Smash, Isabelle's the one you should be looking at.
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Fine, Isabelle (heck, maybe the villager as well) is better fit for non-combatants, but the fact of the matter is, I was strictly looking at princess stuff, which Fiona is a princess, and I was using them because they have a fighting style that's applicable for Fiona had she been allowed into DOA6.
 
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Nagisa Character Episode 07 (Crystal Snow SSR)
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34386552

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