System Buffs/nerfs

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IMO Helena's problem is that she has NH stuns, period. Anyone with such a stupid mixup game should not be able to start an offensive by randomly tapping your ankle.

 

[DR2K]

ok, according to @Mr. Wah on facebook helena's 33p no longer stuns on nh and is -8 on hit

i'm really not happy about this

-8 on hit? They not only nerfed the move, but she can now be throw punished on hit if she doesn't follow up?

 

[Yurlungur]

Helena's 66T damage has been nerfed and helena's damage off of bko. T has been nerfed.

 

[Brute]

-8 on hit? They not only nerfed the move, but she can now be throw punished on hit if she doesn't follow up?

Oh yeah, I see that happening left and right. Like how everyone throw punishes Ryu's 6P every time he doesn't use a follow-up.

The horror. Helena is doomed. Bottom tier.

 

[DR2K]

Oh yeah, I see that happening left and right. Like how everyone throw punishes Ryu's 6P every time he doesn't use a follow-up.

The horror. Helena is doomed. Bottom tier.

Helena has 2 mid punches follow ups from 33p.

This type of change shouldn't happen with any character. The opposite should be for any attack on hit.

 

[Yurlungur]

Helena has 2 mid punches follow ups from 33p.

This type of change shouldn't happen with any character. The opposite should be for any attack on hit.

The mentality of the change is helena's 33p4p is safe on block/hit. Only a grappler can punish her( or lol 2p). I disagree with this change a lot though.

 

[FatalxInnocence]

She needs her sidestep. Her pressure and damage is very weak, not to mention how bad her reach is. She would be unplayable if her sidestep were gone. They should take her expert-holds out and give her better pokes and better throws

The only thing Marie needed was string variety to keep people on edge and a low option in her PP string outside of 6K, which she also got. I think Marie will be great now! =P she was already good- but she will be better now she has a move to keep people on their toes after 9P ( well, here say at the moment since I'm ASSUMING 236P can be inputted after all 9P animations. ). Not to mention she can now go PP into 1PP/P+K.... which will give her even more variety.... and there could be even more we wont see until the game releases.

Marie is shaping up to be better, I wonder if they nerfed her at all though? She might have lost some of her safety to make up for her new lengthier strings.

 

[AsheMann21]

66p reverted to vanilla properties where it caused a knockdown on counter hit
also 66p can also be performed in bokuho and double rising hands(old 66p) in bokuho have been changed to 3+pk

I seldom use 66P but this sounds interesting.

 

[Darth Lotonic X]

The mentality of the change is helena's 33p4p is safe on block/hit. Only a grappler can punish her( or lol 2p). I disagree with this change a lot though.

Actually, it's -4 so only Alpha can throw punish her. Also, Hayabusa and Lisa can punish with 7K, and 4H+K respectively.

 

[Pictured Mind]

Should have received a damage nerf, not a NH property nerf. Oh well.

Because obviously you're not attacking or blocking, you're attacking or standing there like an idiot getting a normal hit to the face.

 

[Mr Armageddon X]

About time Helena got toned down

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Helena's 66T damage has been nerfed and helena's damage off of bko. T has been nerfed.

Oh no you mean to tell me that launching throw that kills me hi-counter every goddam time I try punish her with an low OH has been nerfed. say it isn't so!

 

[VirtuaKazama]

I wonder what else has been touched so far. I mean the frames on 33P isn't a huge loss for Helena players.

 

[Project Bokuho]

So, the only nerf was her 66P? I don't even use it that much anyways, so I don't think I should be worried.

 

[UncleKitchener]

I'm sorry, but how far does a person's head need to be up their own ass to not see how damn cheap the nerfed tools were?

If you're honestly upset about a high and MID crushing move losing deep stun property due to obvious reasons of cheapness, then you're just being a major inconsiderate baby.

 

[Project Bokuho]

I don't think anyone here is upset about the nerf, honestly. Heck, I rarely use 66P lol

 

[Chapstick]

I don't think anyone here is upset about the nerf, honestly. Heck, I rarely use 66P lol

33P losing its NH stun is what's being discussed.

 

[Project Bokuho]

33P losing its NH stun is what's being discussed.

Ah. I thought this was about her 66P nerf lol

 

[XZero264]

Go play vanilla unpatched/patched Mila then come back and maybe you'll see how small the nerf is in comparison. A nerfed move is better than losing moves altogether.

 

[Princess Kasumi]

The only thing Marie needed was string variety to keep people on edge and a low option in her PP string outside of 6K, which she also got. I think Marie will be great now! =P she was already good- but she will be better now she has a move to keep people on their toes after 9P ( well, here say at the moment since I'm ASSUMING 236P can be inputted after all 9P animations. ). Not to mention she can now go PP into 1PP/P+K.... which will give her even more variety.... and there could be even more we wont see until the game releases.

Marie is shaping up to be better, I wonder if they nerfed her at all though? She might have lost some of her safety to make up for her new lengthier strings.

Just remember 236p is like 12- so she takes risks of getting throw punished for doing it. 236p has no tracking so they can sidestep it if they wanna.