Dead Or Alive 5 E3 Build Experience

Also, this is SO MUCH BETTER and more competitive than games that do it the other way in my opinion. It's so refreshing to play under this throw system compared to SF, SC, etc.

hey rikuto, i have a few questions to ask you regarding a 20min vid you made with Cyberevil a while back (just b4 E3) is there a thread discussing that particular clip or can i just ask you here? or maybe somebody can move this to an appropriate place for me... pretty plz

thank you wah

They need to add a safe option for the attacker to use against an opponent in critical stun. One way to do this would be to make jabs unholdable. So if the defender counters a jab, they just do a small evade and the attacker still has the offense and can continue into a string. Jabs also shouldn't re-stun a person in critical stun but should reset them back to normal state.

DoAD did that and it was annoying as hell. No thanks.

Yes it did but it didn't have unholdable jabs. Jabs would have to reset opponents to normal state as a trade off for being unholdable. Otherwise, you would just use jabs to re-stun the opponent instead of other attacks because jabs would be safe. If they did a low hold then the jab would whiff but most jabs can be followed up with a mid attack so you'd be be able to punish the opponent. I also don't like re-stunning opponents in critical state. It just prolongs the guessing game. I would be happy if moves couldn't re-stun an opponent in critical state unless they were part of the same string but I would would be happy with the DOA2 stun threshold.

In SC, most throws are not catch throws. They simply adhere to the frame data system. If you use a throw that's i17, it will lose to an attack that executes faster (assuming both are executed at the exact same time). Throws do not beat attacks in SC like an OH beats attacks in DOA.

I also don't see how VF plays differently than other 3D fighters. There are minor things such as throw breaking and evasion that are different, but the fundamental strategies are the same. I can shift from VF to SC to Tekken with only a little warm-up to adjust (assuming I have already played each game extensively). Whenever I would play DOA4 after playing any other 3D fighter, I was lost.

From a competitive standpoint, VF and DOA (not including DOA5) are very, very different. More so than any other 3D fighter.

i think it just comes down to uniqueness vs standardization. a game can be both unique, and still adhere to standards and customs applied by other games in the same genre. the more informed players on FSD realize the need for a few standards to be applied to DOA. the guys griping about the game losing it's unique flavour - well that is a genuine concern for them that they dont want their game to end up like a clone of another game... i get that kinda.
i know this is not "strictly" on topic, im just trying to point it out
something that IS on topic - when switching games you will only be able to adjust between games which are similar if you knew beforehand that they were. if you did not know then you would play differently, trying to figure out the new game instead of applying old knowledge. conversely, if you had been told two games were alike, and they were NOT, then you would be missing out on a bunch of mechanics from one game trying to play it like another. i hope this does not sound too confusing lol

DOA4 has made me a better guesser in other fighting games funny enough.

Ok we'll call it yomi.

lol, you cant call yomi guessing. its the exact opposite

Yomi and guessing are the same thing. It's just that "yomi" comes off as an educated response, while "guessing" makes it seem more random.

the term yomi shoryu says it all.....