DOA5U Bass General Discussion: Champion Edition

Commmanda Panda said:

just started using bass recently and have some questions

-off his pick up that leaves them back turned is there an option i should always try to do?
-on his forward wall throw it leaves them in a sit down state. like the question before is there an option i should do?

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Like Wah said, there's nothing guaranteed, just 50/50s. Keep it simple. One thing you don't want to do is to give them the opportunity to dash or just walk away (though it's harder with the recent patch, it's harder, so you can kinda ignore this). is good because it stops them from doing that and they won't be able to sidestep after recovering from BT and it's very safe and can also be advantageous if you do it during their BT recovery. Once you stop them from doing that, you can start forcing them into 50/50.


You can go for a couple of options after the forward throw at the wall. My personal picks in that situation are , and . The OH is fucking horrible, but it still does some meager damage and acts as a solid conditioning tool. is also really good if you absolutely want to force them into a mix-up, because it will hit anyone 2/3 times.

Best to practice the timing, because on block with good timing can be +5/6, which is really good for forcing the opponent into a mix-up.

I thought I should expand on a previous post I made regarding the blender and the different approaches.

http://www.freestepdodge.com/thread...sion-champion-edition.3234/page-7#post-134481

I'll continue by expanding on the different options you can use after the blender, but it's important to know unique character matchups and how they effect your options.

In my opinion, you have a handful of pokes you need to concentrate on before you get cheeky and start doing riskier moves. Here are the list of essentials:

(13i) This is an essential string for putting pressure on 99% of the whole cast. It can track sidesteps and special sidesteps with the second hit and the last follow-ups are safe.
(14i) Standing kick is your third fastest option and is +2 on block. Before your condition your opponent to stand still for you to throw em, you can make use of this to scare them and create a mix-up situation. Does some hefty damage on counter hit and leads to a blow-back stun.
(14i) Your fastest mid option and has a mid-low mix-up (if you weren't already familiar). Stops a hell of a lot of things, including 9i jabbers or those pesky characters with good mid crushes, like Genfu.
(15i) This is great at tracking and keeps your opponent stationary if you condition them to expect the follow-up, leading to possible tick throw setups and further pressure. You'll probably find to be your looping tool against inexperienced players. Trust me, even very good players can continuously fall for this loop.
(15i) After a while you'll probably notice that your opponent will start to tech backwards, where is hard to reach. attempts to address that problem with it's good range and the sit-down stun property on crouching opponents. Criminally underused.
(17i) Combos on counter hit and is very hard to react to. This low-high string is your fastest high crush and is primarily used against fast jab characters like Christie as she's a mid-weight and you'll end up with less frame advantage when you force her into a blender. Can also create a situation with > TFBB with enough conditioning.
(18i) +3 on block and can lead into back turned mix-up. This move should be self-explanatory. Use this when you get a higher launch and end up getting more frame advantage.
(19i) This move is so good, especially against those who tend to tech away, thinking they're safe. The range, coupled with the possibly pickup situation and frame advantage on block (0~+2), makes this a very good tool. Only downside is that it's linear and has horrible recovery on whiff.
(19i) There isn't really any reason to pick this option over the rest, unless you're feeling lucky. It has better mix-up options in 5U, but exercise caution as it's not safe on block and you can be potentially interrupted.
(21i) A very good high-crush and grants +6 on block and covers very good range, so it will probably not hurt if you throw this out, unless you don't want to be sidestepped. This is one of Bass' best guard breaks.
(i22) A very good tool against those side-steppers whom you want to force into your 50/50s. Most people don't duck in these situations considering that they'll prob have and to deal with, so they'll happily eat a low.

WR This is very decent guard break and high crush, which can lead to back-turned mixups similar to the ones your get with . Leave you at neutral on block, with a possible 50/50 mix-up on most characters.
Throws: All of your throws, including your OHs are accessible from this position, including the TFBB, which can put a lot of fear into your opponent, forcing them make a mistake and pay for it.

The is not reliable in this situation, imo, so I just left it out.


On the next post, I'll go through the specifications for weight classes, the frame advantages and unique character match-ups and how to approach them.

Just wanted to confirm that BT OH is back.

Most of the 1.05 changes included a change to 2PP on BT opponents being a natural combo (previously, the first punch caused a reset, making 2PP useless on BT opponents) and changes to BT low OH. In 1.04, it was not duckable, since the transition into BT throw was 1-frame and you couldn't duck it and had to commit to either crushing it or attacking, which made it a 3-way mix-up.

In 1.05, the opponent can duck immediately after BT low OH, possibly to make it easier for people who can't fuzzy guard. This still makes this a 50/50 BT mixup, unless your opponent has moves that transition into jumping immediately, which not all characters have.

So, yeah, you got some good tools to use now. Have fun with them.

Pretty much all the old setups, combos and mixups are there after counter/HC OH. Tested them out and with the exception of the guaranteed CB setup being gone (due to the system change that people should've been aware of anyway), everything else is there.

One thing I'd like to point out is that personally, after a normal BT OH, instead of going for into pickup, I find it to be more worth it to go for throws like which gives a better frame advantage and damage compared to pickup or go for for damage, unless you're good at buffering the TFBB motion.


Also, WR can be incorporated into Power Launcher combos, do take footage, because it looks doable, but mostly for the cool factor. I'm guessing there is a way to combo it into BT , but I suppose that's why they increased the recovery to make it more difficult to do just that (or was that increase on the startup for the followup? I forgot which got changed). Mostly for flashy combos, but might actually end up being useful with enough experimentation.

Shoutouts to @Mr. Wah for this awesome NWO-era Hogan-Savage mashup.